I only play 10/20c NL 4-7handed live. would like to go to casino, but you have to be 21 here in Belgium.
But recently I see that my raises always get called by at least 2 other people than the blinds, and usually with ****ty hands like 47o or 6To, even my raises from utg.
We played again today and here are 2 hands to let you guys see how less respect I get

Hand 1:
I get AA utg. I raise standard to 3xBB or 60c. Few people call, which I don't mind (more people->more money) but really hate on the other side (get no respect and my chances of winning decrease). Flop is like 852. I bet, 2 calls. A on turn, I check-raise, and this time I'm headsup. River is 8, I bet and get a call . villain shows 34o.

Hand 2:
I get AKs in CO. Raise to 60c, Every1 behind me calls. flop is A58. Bet, fold to BB and he calls. turn J. Bet and another call. River 8. I bet, he calls and shows a flush with T7. I was like: WHAT?

Like today at the showdown I only had to show my premium hands, and still they do this..
I also never get a walk, on my BB or they raise or they always limp with rubbish, even when I raise here to about 8xBB, yeppaah they still call.

Sounds like a really soft, profitable and beatable game to me.

Bad calls from bad opponents = Good money for Strong players.

Learn it and learn to love it.

Keep making those 8xbb raises and you'll come out ahead in the long run.

If you're playing deep stacked, like 30-40 bucks behind you, then it makes sense for them to call 60 cents with the possibility of stacking 3 players.

I know but preflop it just sucks that they call with any 2 cards that somewhat connect or even have a paint (K4, Q6)
They just watch too much Poker after Dark cashgames, and think that the plays especially Ivey and durrrr make, are plays they can make too. And of course they can't. But really how horrible is it that they call with almost any 2 cards, float on the flop and hit their 2 most needed cards to beat me. Or when they beat your TPTK with 2 pair like K3 or T5.

It used to be, but it got harder for me recently. I'm really doing my best to become a better player, but just nothing seems to work out for me

Hand 1 in your example you win with a full boat... so I assume you meant a different flop.

Regardless, just be patient and keep playing tight. You'll clean up against these guys often enough.

I just meant the call with 34o.

It sounds like you are saying that your opponents would be easier to beat if they played better.

This and this.

People can call my AA and AK raises with Q6 and J7 anyday

and you like it when they hit like 2 pair?

OK, I have a fix for you.

First, get out your heaviest cast iron pan. Don't have one? Buy one, it's an essential kitchen item.

Now, whack yourself on the head as hard as possible with it.

Then ask yourself, does it really suck that players are calling you with really bad hands when you have really good ones?

If you still think that, whack yourself in the head again. Repeat until you understand that bad players calling you with bad cards means they're giving away their money to you.

Through this, you'll either learn to never think that behaviour sucks, or you'll get enough brain damage that poker won't be a problem for you anymore.

Fixed!

Yes the more I think about it, the better it seems, that's true. but what do you like the most when you got AA on Q572J board, that he shows over QJ or that he shows over 25? I know preflop odds it doesn't matter that much, but why you call with 25 ever preflop? A) you think you're oponent is weak, so actually you should reraise. B) you're feeling the luckiest man on earth and you just got a feeling the flop is gonna be 555.

I do know what you are saying. You'd rather thin the field so you don't have to beat 5 people. But you are getting the money from 4 more people into the pot to offset the risk. If you have the best hand preflop, getting called by 5 players instead of 1 puts you more at risk, but when you win, you win more.

Poker is largely about making bets that people should not call, and then hoping that they do call them.

move up to where they'll respect your raise

This happens in cash games at all levels. 3xBB in EP is rarely if ever going to get the pot heads-up or even 3-way. On top of that, you're obviously playing for small monetary stakes, so people will care even less. If you want to isolate, you need to open/raise more, or limp raise. BTW, I'm not sure what the complaint is here (or if you were just firing off an example to illustrate loose play), you have the nut full house and won what was apparently a decent pot.

Terrible result, but, this is the action you want - he's drawing nearly dead on the flop.

This doesn't make any sense, you're missing the point. You want them in these pots with these dumb hands. They will occasionally suckout and make two-pair etc hands that beat you, but you need to focus on the fact that you are winning a lot of the time in these scenarios. You are simply running bad at the moment.

Open/raise larger if you want, so that you can cut down on their implied odds.

Dangit, should've done the inb4 when I had the chance.

Also, bad players will remember when they crack your AA with J4, but they will forget about all the other times that they paid you off when your good hands held up. These occasional suckouts provide just enough reinforcement of their bad play to ensure that they keep returning to the game.

It seems counter-intuitive, but you want their trash to win sometimes. Otherwise, they get better or quit playing the game.

This might be a level, but I'll pretend you're serious. Because seriously, people think this and move up, then lose more. Because if you can't figure out how to win at the cheap stakes, you won't find it any easier against tougher opponents.

On the other hand, Stu Unger once said he had no chance at winning in the smaller games. But...that was Stu Unger.

They don't even know what implied odds are. they even have a tought time with pot odds.
last time this happened: pot was like 9$ and someone bets 3$. one guy let me show his cards and I see he has gutshot (A8s)on the turn on a board like 6456 and villain 2barreled. the guy says to me: well I've got 4 outs and I got to have 33%. And he calls. I mean, it seems he got the basic of pot odds, and that's good. He didn't make his gutshot but afterwards I said that he also had to think of the range of hands he thinks villain has. He was like, why do I need that? Then I said nvm.

I'm just saying, these guys are looking at the money, not directly to the pot odds. they just think: waw that's "a lot" of money to call, i'm outta here

Laughed so so hard at this!

Wait, do you think the math doesn't apply to them because they don't understand it, or because they don't even know there is math involved? If that were true, people would be floating around because they don't understand the physics of gravity.

They know there's math involved but they don't use it. They are so happy when they get a cheap price to chase their OESD when the board is paired and there's a flush draw. I LIKE it of course, but it's just an example of how do they not use maths or put villain on range of hands.
And they think the same preflop (I know). I raise utg 3BB, MP reraises to 9BB, BB flat called with A4o not thinking for a moment I can repop it from utg or he can easily be dominated, and there's a big chance for that to happen.

the math obv does apply to them, as I have to think my odds are good and all, not just calling any draw because those idiots bet 60c in a 3$ pot

I don't get it....

Sarge