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11-19-2022 , 09:22 PM

YEM20

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 23

Home game tournament, need a ruling please.

Blinds are 3k - 6k

UTG says nothing and tosses in (2) 5k chips.

is this a call or a min raise?

THANKS IN ADVANCE

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11-20-2022 , 06:39 PM

madlex

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Call, because one of the two chips alone wouldn't cover the call.

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11-20-2022 , 07:14 PM

suckerr

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It's a min raise because he put more than half of a raise out

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11-20-2022 , 08:16 PM

madlex

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Originally Posted by suckerr

It's a min raise because he put more than half of a raise out

No, it’s not. At least not in any tournament that uses TDA rules.

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45 multiple chip betting:
A: If facing a bet, unless raise or all-in is declared first, a multiple-chip bet (including a bet of your last chips) is a call if every chip is needed to make the call; i.e. removal of just one of the smallest chips leaves less than the call amount. Ex-1: Player A opens for 400: B raises to 1100 total (a 700 raise), C puts out one 500 and one 1000 chip silently. This is a call because removing the 500 chip leaves less than the 1100 call amount. Ex-2: NLHE 25-50. Post-flop A opens for 1050 and B puts out his last chips (two 1000’s). B calls unless raise or all-in was first declared.

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11-20-2022 , 08:48 PM

Garick

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This.^

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11-25-2022 , 06:13 PM

Fore

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Originally Posted by suckerr

It's a min raise because he put more than half of a raise out

Nope. Call

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11-28-2022 , 09:24 PM

Rakrul

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Originally Posted by suckerr

It's a min raise because he put more than half of a raise out

The half size of a raise thing is something that stems from the (cash) FL days. Haven't played FL in over a decade so not sure it's still a thing there.

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11-29-2022 , 11:08 AM

Didace

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Half size raise thing is (was?) a limit rule.

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12-06-2022 , 01:01 AM

Fore

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Originally Posted by Rakrul

The half size of a raise thing is something that stems from the (cash) FL days. Haven't played FL in over a decade so not sure it's still a thing there.

I believe the half size bet FL rule you are confusing concerns an all in of less than full bet but more than half, which will reopen action in FL but not in NL.

In this case, if a 5k chip and five1k chips had been put in the pot, the more than half raise/bet would compel the player to complete it to a min raise/bet of 12k if he had the chips to do so.

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