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Old 01-12-2012, 08:28 PM   #26
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Re: For my Home Tourney: Dead Button or Moving Button?

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They are opposed to someone being last to act twice but not someone missing having to post a blind?
again, the true Moving Button rule does NOT allow anyone to skip the blinds. see above, and links to examples and explanations.

there is an unnamed procedure used in some (generally more casual) cash games where blinds might be skipped, but that's not the same as the the Moving Button rule you might see in a casino cash game.
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:14 AM   #27
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Re: For my Home Tourney: Dead Button or Moving Button?

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Whoops! Palimax has this completely correct (of course!). The most egregious simplification that the Dead Button rule does is to lead to an inequitable number of buttons for one player during an orbit where there was a bust-out. Also, it's possible that the occassional pot starts out with one SB's worth of dead money not present.

Compare that to the Forward Moving Button, which ensures the proper number of buttons per player per orbit, but at the expense of starting pots containing:
* 1x BB & 1x SB,
* 2x BB & 1x SB (paid by button),
* 1x BB & 2x SB (one paid by button),
* 2x BB & 0x SB,
* 3x BB (one paid by button) & 0x SB, and
* 1x BB & 3x SB (one paid by the button and one paid by the cut-off!).

Apologies for my post with the bad info, above. I'll fix it.
The reason I don't like the Forward Moving button rule is that you end up with a situation with a player posting live blinds on the button. To me the advantage of posting your blind while in position is far greater than the advantage of having the button twice.

A lot of people think having the button twice is a huge edge. But I think its a small edge..... the reason its a small edge is that the second time they get the button is the hand they were going to be the cut-off. Having the button is a huge advantage over the early positions, but only a small advantage as compare dto the cut-off. I think the people who object to the dead button procedure tend to think of the value of the button as compared to the early position as oppose dto comparing it to the cut-off.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:44 AM   #28
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Re: For my Home Tourney: Dead Button or Moving Button?

In my opinion, it would be silly to have a tournament using Moving Button. Sure, it's possible, but I've never seen it.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:45 AM   #29
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Re: For my Home Tourney: Dead Button or Moving Button?

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In my opinion, it would be silly to have a tournament using Moving Button. Sure, it's possible, but I've never seen it.
Some on-line sites (PokerStars?) move the button to the next available player and the blinds fall where they will. It's possible to miss the blinds completely if two players are knocked out on the same hand.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:57 PM   #30
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Re: For my Home Tourney: Dead Button or Moving Button?

There is no "perfect" solution. It's a fault in the fabric of the game. But the best, fairest and easiest solution is to go dead button.
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:19 PM   #31
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Re: For my Home Tourney: Dead Button or Moving Button?

Dead button, without a doubt. I can't imagine why you would want a player to be able to skip being the BB. I agree with Pali, always move the BB, and start backwards from there. Especially later into the game/tourny whn blinds effect chip stacks significantly.
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:55 PM   #32
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Re: For my Home Tourney: Dead Button or Moving Button?

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Dead button, without a doubt. I can't imagine why you would want a player to be able to skip being the BB. I agree with Pali, always move the BB, and start backwards from there. Especially later into the game/tourny whn blinds effect chip stacks significantly.
In neither system should someone skip the big blinds.

You can just get wonky situations with a moving button where you've got two smalls and a big, two bigs and a small, a small on the button, blah blah...
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