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Originally Posted by DrStrange
Anytime you sit in an illegal underground game there is the risk of getting cheated. Of course that is true at a casino or even at my $20 buy-in {real} home game.
Hard to say how high the risk is, but something to be mindful of. I have to think it is a poor long term business plan for the house to cheat every new player that shows up. Sure, the score is big that night but it seems certain to kill the game sooner than later. But if the game is "new", it could be they do this to an ignorant market of players every month.
Could be the dealer is acting in coordination with a player or two at the table. I can't imagine the house would be ok with that. Any reason to think the dealer was new?
I also have to note the difficulty in stacking the deck for a full table Omaha game. You seem to have been watching with extraordinary care. Perhaps there was a cold deck that got brought into play?
I have to think you have seen one-out winners before. Not very common, but still they happen.
I have seen plenty of Omaha players who get stacked on weaker full houses. It doesn't surprise me at all for a player with middle set to stick around. You do want to play in games like that I assume. . . .
But tonight that guy hit his quads ( ~5% over two streets. ) Not a happy thing, but hardly crazy luck either.
I doubt you were cheated. Possible, not the most likely explanation. I vote bad luck > cheating.
What can you do? Go play somewhere else. The stakes you prefer are always more vulnerable to cheating than cheeseburger stakes I prefer. So I can take the risk someone is going to rip me off for $20 or $50 bucks. Playing with $2,500+ buy-ins, maybe it would be better to stick with regulated card rooms and/or casinos.
Bad beats happen, you know this -=- DrStrange
I know bad beats happen. I take them and give them. The situation and other variables don't add up to me as just a normal bad beat coincidence though. I definitely understand the high variance in this game, but it does not seem like coincidence to me that first off...
The guy that bought in for the max (winner with the quads) was a super tight player (after watching him all night before and after the fact), and he limped under the gun with JJ82 rainbow, then called another $20 with 2 players in front of him. I also saw him fold a limped family pot from the BB with $2000 in front of him before the hand in question happened, but he calls a raise with JJ82 rainbow in a PLO8 game?
It just happened to be that the 3 biggest stacks at the table all got these hands, and the 2 losers were both new to the game.
The deck was not a cold deck, as the dealer always kept both decks in plain site on the table. The host told me that the dealer dealt the final table of the WSOP Main Event, so I assume he has experience handling cards. I feel like the house, dealer and player are all in on it.
The rake was being pulled in WHILE the hand was going on, so that was another red flag to me. How can you take 10% of a pot that's not final? Seems super shady.
Players were dealt into hands even though they weren't at the table and didn't announce themselves to be dealt in. I'm thinking that this was done as to not disturb the order of the cards.
I'm going to assume that since this is a huge poker forum, that someone from that game is going to see this post, maybe even comment on it bashing my suspicions. I'm prepared for the worst.
And yes.... I am definitely sticking to brick and mortars from now on, haha. That's obvious.