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View Poll Results: Dealer mixes muck into stub pre-flop with two players left. Best solution?
Misdeal
3 11.54%
Split pot
0 0%
Continue shuffling and the continue deal of the flop.
23 88.46%

07-25-2011 , 08:51 AM
Home game NLHE tournament with rotating deal. We will call dealer seat 9 [out of 9] for the purposes of this hand. We have four one side of the table, on dealer's side, three on the other and one on each end (ten-player table and everyone sitting comfortably). I was in the 5 seat.

Dealer sitting on the same side of the table as seat 7 and was frequently asking seats 6 and 7 if they have cards. Raise in seat 4 with one caller in seat 7 folded around to BB (s2) who folds. Dealer gathers up the muck and mixes it into the stub before anyone noticed. What is the best solution: misdeal, split pot or continue shuffling the stub and then deal the flop?


PS I got a Royal in the game. My second of all-time.

Last edited by The Big K; 07-25-2011 at 09:05 AM. Reason: Just wanted to brag.
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07-25-2011 , 01:04 PM
If we get anything but choice C from anyone, we'll need some rationale.
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07-25-2011 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
If we get anything but choice C from anyone, we'll need some rationale.
The decision was a split pot.
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07-25-2011 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
If we get anything but choice C from anyone, we'll need some rationale.
X2
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07-25-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
If we get anything but choice C from anyone, we'll need some rationale.
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Originally Posted by The Big K
The decision was a split pot.
...ANNNNNDDDDD??
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07-25-2011 , 01:10 PM
I don't get why you'd split the pot..
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07-25-2011 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
If we get anything but choice C from anyone, we'll need some rationale.
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Originally Posted by The Big K
The decision was a split pot.
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
...ANNNNNDDDDD??
No and. I was too tired, in too much pain (back problems), and not in the hand to care at the time. I just want something to show the TD in case of a future incident. But the decision of a split pot did not meet any resistance from anyone.
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07-25-2011 , 01:35 PM
Such a bad ruling.
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07-25-2011 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by toldmeshewas18
I don't get why you'd split the pot..
Because people don't know what to do, and the uneducated and superstitious players of the world feel that some sort of unrecoverable foul has occurred and there's no way of going forward.

I don't get why people don't get why.

That said, we all know that rarely are hands in progress canceled as long as there's action (a bet) offered and accepted (a call).
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07-25-2011 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by The Big K
No and. I was too tired, in too much pain (back problems), and not in the hand to care at the time. I just want something to show the TD in case of a future incident. But the decision of a split pot did not meet any resistance from anyone.
Eh. Even though it's "wrong", it should rarely happen.... and, for a home game, splitting money and keeping un-felted players is almost never a bad thing.
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07-25-2011 , 11:00 PM
Interestingly, there are two people who voted for rolling the hand back, so far....
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07-26-2011 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
Eh. Even though it's "wrong", it should rarely happen.... and, for a home game, splitting money and keeping un-felted players is almost never a bad thing.
First time this has happened (at least one not discovered before it was too late) in our game in over five years.
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07-26-2011 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by The Big K
No and. I was too tired, in too much pain (back problems), and not in the hand to care at the time. I just want something to show the TD in case of a future incident. But the decision of a split pot did not meet any resistance from anyone.
Actually, this is a good example that the TD shouldn't necessary be the host but rather the most experience and knowledgeable player.
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07-26-2011 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
Actually, this is a good example that the TD shouldn't necessary be the host but rather the most experience and knowledgeable player.
I was the host, our monthly Saturday tournament rotates and it was my turn. TD is someone in the game. But I would bet on me as being slightly more knowledgeable than the TD. He still think his exposed hand is dead rule is right.
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07-26-2011 , 02:57 PM
FYI, rrop covers this fairly directly under Irregularities:

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17. If the deck stub gets fouled for some reason, such as the dealer believing the deal is over and dropping the deck, the deal must still be played out, and the deck reconstituted in as fair a way as possible.
I would interpret that to mean that once the discards are mixed into the stub, shuffle and proceed to deal the board normally. It's a very minor problem.

Once a hand starts, you almost never void it and return the bets (finding a duplicate card or a card from the wrong deck are the only two cases I'm aware of). Splitting the pot is never a solotion, afaik.
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08-02-2011 , 08:02 AM
I think "never a solution" is too strong.

I agree that the right thing is to shuffle up, but if the players with the money in the middle don't like it (for whatever reason) then chopping it up may keep more people happy than running it out.

So discretion could apply here.
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08-02-2011 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hepzebah
I think "never a solution" is too strong.

I agree that the right thing is to shuffle up, but if the players with the money in the middle don't like it (for whatever reason) then chopping it up may keep more people happy than running it out.

So discretion could apply here.

One warning- are you going to leave other decisions up to the players, in the hand at the moment... if the decision can change from previous examples?


Other than that... I like your answer here.
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