regular home game, 6 player tourn blah blah.

a friend pointed out to me during a break that he 4t villain was looking at cards as he was shuffling, and note that my friend is 100% sure of cheating. so i obv look closer at next shuffle and it did appear to me that he was looking at what everyone would get dealt. then a player got knocked out and started dealing for everyone so that was the end of it for the time being. another buddy also mentioned it today to me, and i said i would talk to villain abt it.

I am unsure how to approach this (first time occurance obv). if i go to him he is almost certain to deny it ldo, so how can i say to him we think u were cheating w/o directly saying it to him/offending him?

our group of players is small and he brings players to the game so im at risk of ruining the whole game if this goes wrong.

HELP pls!! What I do?
thanks

Next time it's his turn to deal, and you notice this, simply annouce outloud but politely "Quit looking at the cards, please!".

Oh yeah, and fold anything unless it's a AA or KK, see how he reacts to a nice sized raise before the flop. If he knows what you got and folds, ask him "Why did you fold?"

And trust me, you would not be ruining the game, he would. You might want to find another.

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is someone else cutting the deck before the deal?

simple solution, 2 decks, the person who just dealt shuffles, so nobody EVER shuffles the deck before they deal, problem solved....but i'd still call him out when you see him do it, if it's supposed to be a friends game, it's messed up to be cheating your friends

You can say the 2 decks thing is to speed up he game (and it does). It also keeps people honest and gives new players confidence the game is legit.

Player A shuffles, Player B cuts, Player C deals.

no, when i started the game i said for everyone to cut, but then it stopped cos I said we can all trust each other ironically.


when using two decks, does CO shuffle then give to the SB of the same hand who will then be dealer next hand?

There is a reason for cutting. Also how can you miss the dealer looking at cards?

Yes. And the dealer cuts.

could be a subconcious thing for this guy... maybe if you point it out he'll be surprised to notice himself that he's been peeking at the odd card without really registering

I vote for implementing the above recommendations for non dealer shuffles, cutting the deck, cut cards etc...

I would add that as you add these elements to your game that you explain the reason you are doing this is because of noticed discrepencies in how people deal... you may mention off hand... "I want to make sure that we are always dealing from a fair deck and out of all of our interests I want to fix our dealing process. For example, no offense Bob(villain), I'm not the only one who's noticed you absentmindedly looking at cards while you shuffle... anyways moving on I've got some ideas to make the dealing process more standard..."

Now further to that... try to mention a positive as well... like "No offense Bob, but although you shuffle really thoroughly and get the deal out quickly, you have an absentminded habit of looking at cards."

and point out other people too so it's not like you're singling him out...

"Also, Chet you control the action really well as the dealer but you have a habit of lifting the deck high enough to see the bottom card."

and so on

Let him know that he shouldn't look at the cards, as it gives the wrong impression and might get him chased out of the game.

need to say somthing about.

teach 'Bob' to riffle shuffle. Im no expert at shuffling but it looks cooler and is harder to look at cards.

The other night, I was teacdhing my 7 year old how to play poker. As I told her, "the first rule of poker is ALWAYS CUT THE CARDS - EVERY TIME NO MATTER WHAT!"

oh we lives in a safe neighbour hood no need to lock door when going out !

How to approach a guy who could be cheating?Ummmm make sure he is cheating then punch him in the face sounds good to me...

First let it be known that you are organizing a little mystery tour for the poker boys. Then drive to a secluded spot. Turn off the engine. Turn off the headlights. Nobody says anything for a long time. Then very quietly you say "now we all know somebodies been cheating at the poker table don't we?" (slowly removing gun from jacket) "well how about if I just blow your f***ing brains out right f***ing now)(gradually getting louder until you are screaming full volume) at this point all the others get involved telling you not to do it and to calm down and to give him another chance e.t.c. They eventually manage to subdue you and you drive home in silence. At no point is it necessary to actually mention who the supposed cheat is, this don't worry , he'll get the message

yes, but he can punch me back a lot harder than i can punch him

Grow a set... Other player shuffles and then institute a cut. If he looks at any card. (especially protect the bottom card I can't tell you how often I see one card that I instantly subtract from the deck) warn him once then do not invite him again.

oh...well then u better make sure to knock him the **** out!

well, while having a diff person shuffle for the next deal, wouldnt he have to shuffle and potentially do the same thing? You should make it a mandatory cut, not an option to cut thats the only way you can do it, and also dont let anyone he knows sit next to him in case he is is putting a break in the deck so the cutter can cut where he needs him too or vica versa.

Yeah, I think the riffle shuffle is better.

Say, "Yeah, we really need to standarize our shuffling proceedure cuz sometimes I don't think it gets done thoroughly. And that should include the cut."

Then introduce the riffle shuffle, and mention how it prevents "flashing" the cards to the players. (hint hint).

results: found villain was colluding with another player too.

Told original villain to go ***** and **** himself, and gave the other guy a chance to admit it and redeem himself but he denied it so he too has been told to gtfo.

Ugh, that stinks. How did you catch them?

they were texting each other which made me suspicious.

i suspected one of chip dumping and on a AA7QQ board, and guy showed 32o which he bluffed two streets then checked river when it double paired.

one kept dealing coolers HU with villain and regular. It was so blatant that the regular guy was folding every hand on his deal, JJ, AQ etc.

was the final straw and confronted him today.

edit: what makes it even more disgusting is that we're all really close mates (or so I thought).

did you see any specific card shuffling that allowed villain to deal coolers?