I guess you're right. This game has indeed lost the "spirit" of a home game, and has evolved into what you can call an underground card room. But isn't that the fate of most home games? Stakes getting higher over time, people getting more serious about making money, etc.
I've held tons of home games, in the form of low stakes, medium stakes, and tournaments, I've never raked once.
find me games like they used to have on pacific poker and id seriously pay 15 dollars a pot a be happy about it
9-handed $1/$2 Avg pot $25. 10% rake up to $150. 80 hands per hour. $2.50 rake per pot divided by 9 times 100 divided by $2 = 13.89 big blinds/100 rake.
To make even just $10 per hour at this table, you would need an additional 6.25 bb/100 for a total of 20.14 bb/100.
I guess if losing your ass makes you a happy man, be my guest. Because no one can pull over 20 big blinds per 100 over the long run no matter how juicy the game is. And even granting that you could, you'd be splitting your earnings with the house 69% for them and 31% for you (using $10/hour; 20.14 bb/100 example).
Why don't you go over in BBV and whine about how it doesn't snow as much in the winter as it did back in the good old days when you marched uphill to school...AND back.
In my nearest casino, tips are shared between all staff from table games etc not exclusive to the poker dealers. so i now just keep all tips i would give to one side and since i know all the dealers wen i c them at a different casino or at end off nite outside i would hand it to them. Works out around a 10er max if am running good but they never ever expect or ask for tips.
If i were you i would just say to the guy upfront plz dont ask for tips as you will most likely get more money by not asking.
pssst, hey Palimax, over here buddy, I got something to tell you but you can't tell anybody ok? Here is the big secret. The people making money at underground games (winning players/dealers/hosts) aren't paying taxes.
Another image: You are playing with your friends. The stakes are very low. The sun is shining, and the grass is green. You are not in the hired location any more. Everyone is smiling. There doesn't seem to be much money in this scene. Someone just dragged a big pot, and no rake came out of it.
Yeah, but then you have to go to work tomorrow.
OP, I'd quit this game, there are plenty of games. If it's too ++EV then wait until you find a better one, but make sure you try. It's obscene what this host is doing, but this is poker and the right answer may depend on multiple variables that may not even be in your OP.
He's got a point, you are giving him money from doing exactally what he's supposed to do. Do you rush out and give the garbage man a tip for showing up?
Wait - I'm not supposed to be tipping the garbage man?
....we've been down this road before. It's a pointless, mindless, stupid custom that does little to actually reward good service in a world where people expect - and get - mediocrity. ...but we're stuck with it, unless you're willing to start a grass roots effort to stop doing it.
Dealers asking for tips is terrible.
Being expected to tip dealers, on the other hand, is peachy-keen.
What if your boss took this attitude: "That guy is just doing his job, why should I reward him for that?"
That's far different from: "What if your customer took this attitude..."
And, yup, some places you tip your garbage man, and your mail man, and god knows what else... I guess I need to move to where they tip your Systems Integration Senior Specialist or Server Technologies Engineer.
Oh, sure, I've got plenty of reps and vendors who want to take me to dinner, drinks or a ballgame; but it's a different thing than someone throwing me a dollar every time I dial into a conference call or go to a change management meeting.
I do get patted on the cheek all the time though. You all are getting your asses touched at work constantly too, right?