Here is the action guys...(ill just give the important stuff)
The game in question is 1-3 live...Hero has 160bb($475), villain has 150bb
I am in the small blind...3 people limp into the pot the villain on the button makes a face and calls...Hero in the small blind calls with 2h9h and the Big blind checks...

The pot has $18
The flop comes 2s2cQh

I check and hope someone bets a Queen...Checks around the villain on the button bets 11...Ive already started thinking about the next street...Im going to call this bet and check raise the turn...


I call the pot is $40
The turn is a 6h

The turn is a sick card for me to raise at and im loving this card. I check, villain bets like i thought..The bet is 25...I raise to 75 straight...
Pot now has 140

The villain thinks for about 10seconds and raises to 200 straight...
ATM I have 360 before I call the 125 dollar raise....
If i smooth call ill have 235 left...and the pot would be at 390

I think for about 15 seconds and I move all-in....
(PART OF THE REASON I MOVE IN IS BECAUSE IM PRETTY SURE IF ANY BLANK COMES ON THE RIVER IM GOING TO BE CALLING A VALUE BET OF AT LEAST 150 or more)
I get called and asked if I have a boat already...
Cards turn over and im facing Kd2d....

Make the math easy for everyone; my EV on winning the hand is 25 and my EV on a chop is 14


NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE

1) Way the action went am i ever ahead here?
(Pocket queens are out of the question)

2) Is my play a profitable play or not?

3) Am i ever against a weaker two?(23s,24s,25s,26s)

4) should i have called the turn 3 bet and check the river and decide than?


COMMENT ON MY THOUGHTS

1) I love the way the hand is getting played up until the turn 3-bet...action went the way i wanted it to, and i got my check raise in on the turn...When i get 3 bet: my thoughts went like this....

a) Am i against at deuce? A2s makes a lot of sense...
b) Can i fold this hand...How can i fold i have a flush draw with my trips...i cant be against a boat....
c) have a weaker deuce?
d) Huge donk bluff?


I swear if the 2nd heart doesnt come off...its between a call and a fold...I was pretty sure i was against a two when i got 3-bet but i felt i had enough equity in the fact that it is possible to have a weaker deuce...even tho i think A2s is more likely... And if i am behind...i still have my flush outs, my outs to a full house and my chop outs...


PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME, WHAT DO U THINK OF THIS HAND???

In general I prefer to stay away from the really marginal EV spots, especially in juicy games. I often fold my SB when the entire table limps, because the risk of getting stacked is incredibly great. I value position more than I value cards or odds.

This hand is a big reason why. It's hard to get paid off holding heat, and it's easy to get stacked with a big second-best. Playing out of position sucks no matter how you slice it.

Pre is fine, even standard to call any suited cards.

flop is fine. i'd rather bet the flop, but check/call is fine.

now turn, stop being so tricky going for the check raise. go ahead and donk bet into it. pot it if you must. that way you don't have to put 4 bets in to be all in. if villain raises, 3bet all in. you have trips with a backdoor flush draw. only thing you truly lose to is a boat.

btw who mods this forum now? move this to llsnl!

JMO

I think folding is perfectly fine pre (in fact that's what I would almost always do), especially playing 1/3. I'm definitely going to donk out on the flop though and on the turn the only bad decision is to fold I think.

I'm new to this forum but since it's a home game can't some histories be reviewed by people who are more likely to understand the dynamics of home play? Not trying to breach etiquette here, just a thought.

Disagree. Playing a hand like this in position should be more standard than completing a bet where you are in the worst position in a multi way limped pot for the rest of the hand. Especially in a 1-3 game where the small blind is only 1/3rd of the BB, I would look to be even tighter from this seat.

Completely agree with betting. I think leading the flop is the best line here rather than the "fancy" slow play too many players are addicted to.

Agreed. With the line you take, you might as well turn your 2 over since you are basically playing your hand face up. You are not being fancy, you are being transparent. This makes the opponents 3-bet on the turn even more concerning since to any half way thinking player your range is almost exclusively 2x unless you peeled the flop with 66 and then took this wacky line on the turn. I would be shocked if he's ever sticking that 3rd bet in with worse or as a bluff.

I don't think you "failed" as you asked in your thread title, but I think you took an absolutely horrible line. I think bet the flop, bet/3-bet jam the turn is a much better play than putting the 4-bet all in as I doubt you are ever ahead and may not be drawing live at your flush redraw anyway and with the inflated pot I think calling the turn to fold a non heart river is a mistake.

As played, it's a gross spot, and it would be tough to fold in game. Good lesson on why playing for your stack OOP in a limped pot is absolutely horrible.

Yeah, this post should really be here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...low-stakes-nl/

For more responses, I would try that. Also, don't include results when you are posting a hand as it can sway responses. Just tell the action, the board and your holding. What the opponent actually had in that particular hand is not as important as learning to play the spot correctly in general.

What, exactly, make this hand 'particular' to a home game, other than it was AT a home game?

There's nothing else to distiguish this story from any $1/3 NL story in a B&M.

Cliff notes:

Dont get your 150bb stack in with 6th best trips in a 6way limped pot

The only flop you want to see with your hand is a boat or 3 hearts.

In how many languages can I say " fold pre".....

fyp.

I'm not even happy about a flopped flush from the small blind, 6-way pot.

virtually everyone undervalues position in no-limit.

I think by check/calling the flop and check/raising the turn from the SB in a limped pot on a paired flop and a brick turn, you are basically announcing that you have the deuce. If your opponent is good, then I don't think this line is profitable because after you raise the turn you are pushing out worse hands and committing yourself against better hands. I'd either check/raise the flop, bet the flop, or check/call the flop and donk bet the turn against a good player.

If the player is bad and would reasonably call your turn check/raise with a Q, then I think your play is good and you just got coolered.

Maybe im a huge nit, but you should just be check-calling if your OOP and your opponent keeps betting. When he bets the turn, he's either bluffing, has a Q, or has you dominated. When you raise turn he's going to give up all bluffs, probably fold a Q, and only play back with a better hand. Even if he just flat calls on the turn I'm worried. Check raising puts you in a really bad spot. Nothing wrong with check calling the whole way down...

IMO, you overplayed your hand. A lot of hands beat you.

OP left out the part where the Ah peels on the river and he fist pumps and says "I had a feeling!"