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Originally Posted by canoodles
I play in a somewhat regular home game that a friend hosts, and I am having some repeated problems that make me really question whether it is worth playing in. Let me start by saying it is the absolute donkiest home game anybody has ever played in their life and the amount of dead money makes up for it's small buy in (It's a $20 rebuy tournament that usually gets between 6-12 players depending on the night, and everybody rebuys multiple times).
For me, it's a simple question... are you having fun? If not, can you make changes so that you will have fun? If not, than take some time off and see if that helps.
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But when I say it's the donkiest home game anybody has ever played in, I really mean it. Nobody knows what they are doing to the point where I constantly have to play tournament director, always instructing players who's first to act, how much money to call and "how many blue chips/red chips" that translates to, and we constantly get problems with string bets and stuff of that nature.
I've printed out some relevant sections of RRoP and put them together. I'm sure nobody else has read through them, but they do normally go with me 'ruling'. Some games simply allow 'mild' string bets. Yes, it opens things up to angle shooting, but house rules are house rules. Same as One Oversize Chip rule. Explaining it as simply as possible, and being consistent should help folks learn the rule. In home games, I think it's important to let folks do what they intended to do... warning on the first infraction (and letting their intended action stand) and enforcing the rule after that. Yes, I tended to let them get a warning each game for the first few games.
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Originally Posted by canoodles
Now, the money has been worth it up until this point, and the person who hosts is a fairly close friend as are many of the players so I have always remained cordial in order to keep those ties. But I am constantly finding myself getting in arguments about what the "proper" course of action to take is when there are disputes. As much as I don't want to phrase it this way, I know I'm right every time. They usually gang up on me with their donkey logic because they've never read 2p2 or been in a B&M venue, and it gets very tiresome. Last time I played was the tipping point, and I'm wondering how I should approach this, and if I approached it poorly.
Talk to your friend the host, and share your frustration. Having things in print helps. Nobody expects all the players to read all the rules, but showing them when necessary takes the heat off you.
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First we had a pot with Quads on board, and I shoved with A-high which was the nuts, and got called by one player with J-high who then claimed to have thought quads on board was a split pot. I really don't think he thought this since he tank-called, but he may have been nooby enough I am not sure. But then when I explain the concept of him angling/freerolling me, the whole table turns on me and rules it a chop pot. Their ruling didn't even have to do with accommodating villain's mistake, they just felt quads on board was a chop pot by rule.
I'm a big fan of "What 5 cards are you playing?" to explain that. In a friendly home game, the accusation of angle shooting goes over poorly.
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Second situation: I shoved over a raise and a bunch of flats, and in succession players started talking amongst themselves on the strength of my hand and whether they should call, saying things like "are you going to fold if I call? should I call with 99?" And saying "I call" then being like "wait, should I call?" as I was trying to figure out the split pots.
One player to a hand is an often violated newbie home game rule. Asking them to put themselves in your shoes, may let them see how unfair it is to allow chatter about the hands and action. If the house rules allow it, then go with the flow and attempt to influence action your way. I think if that happened, they would be happy to cut the chatter.
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Third situation: we were playing 6 handed and had decided to make it a winner-take-all on this night. I was fine with it, and I got to headsup with 9000 chips to villains 11000. He asks if we want to do a chop, and I said it was fine if the rest of the table didn't have a problem with it and they were all cool. So I explain the concept of an equity chop and do the math and the entire table starts spouting off bull**** math that somehow meant villain got $300 while I got $150 which was obviously not nearly correct mathematically. I kept disagreeing and said "let's just play it out" but by the time we'd simmered down, the host said we had to leave within 10 minutes so we couldn't. I was really frustrated and took the $150.
In my world... most of the home game chops are done with easy numbers, and rarely strictly based on equity. Poor job by the host forcing an end and an unfair settlement.
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How should I have handled this? Should I just not return to this game even though it's with good friends and extremely juicy? I don't really know what to do. I feel like it would be really offensive to my friends if I stopped showing up, but I don't see how to make this game less ******ed.
I have a rep as procedure/rules/chip nazi in the local games. When I stop having fun, I stop playing for a short while. Talk to a couple individuals about a couple of rules (string, OPTAH, chops, winning hands) and see if you can get them on board.
Good luck. I've had a lot of success getting my games closer to 'casino' style in procedure, but it wasn't easy.