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02-14-2011 , 03:14 PM
So, at my home game we rotate the deal. Its a tournament. I was in position against another player after the flop, and the dealer was not paying attention.

Preflop raising, calling occurs:

Cards come out, 10c, 5c, 2d...

Villian bets out, and I have Ac,6c and raise him all in.

When I say "all in", the dealer was off in space and thought I called. He flips the next card before the villian makes his decision and then he tries to cover it and asks if anyone saw it. I didn't see it but the villian said, "Yeah, I know its a black face card but that's all I know".

Since its my game, they ask me what to do. I told them that the right thing to do is to flip it up so that all can see, take the card out of play, and continue.

He flips it up and its the King of clubs, the best possible card for me.

The villian sits and thinks about it and eventually folds. If he would have called, I probably would have missed my flush and been knocked out of the tournament.

Did I handle this situation correctly? I wasn't sure of the official thing to do.

Would it just be tough luck, if he called and I'm knocked out? Or would I have a right to bitch?
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02-14-2011 , 03:28 PM
it may not be the rule, but this is what we do...

take the exposed card and insert it back into the deck. then shuffle and cut the deck one time. then burn and turn again. we have had to do this once or twice, and believe it or not, the exact same card came out one time...
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02-14-2011 , 03:30 PM
Well its nice that you arent an angle shooting d bag but taking it out of play wasnt the right course of action IMO. Although not unfair to him, it was unfair to you.

I believe the dealers handbook says in a situation like this, when a card is prematurely exposed by the dealer before action is complete, it needs to be reshuffled, and dealt again once action is complete. Some places ive seen reshuffle the burn as well, but i dont think thats necessary since it was the burn already and never going to be a card in play. I also dont think the handbook said to use the burn but dont quote me on that.


Edit* I believe you can get that book on 2+2, and if not for sure amazon or borders or wherever. Its nice to have, keep it at arms length during games, and if a problem arises use that, plain and simple no arguing, no debating. makes it easier to not be the bad guy, just say hey, this is what we use, and this says "blah blah"
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02-14-2011 , 04:09 PM
Roberts:

A dealing error for the fourth boardcard is rectified in a manner to least influence the identity of the boardcards that would have been used without the error. The dealer burns and deals what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and deals the final card without burning a card. If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner. [See “Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #4, for more information on this rule.]
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02-14-2011 , 04:12 PM
...and, to add on, some places do have different procedures, including shuffling them all back in, shuffling the burns back in or not, etc.

...but one thing that remains is that the card is picked up or set aside (at least temporarily) and that the betting is completed without that card.

That card might show up again on the river (or, maybe even 40-to-1 on the turn depending on your local room's procedures), but only out the luck of the draw.

I strongly suggest that people follow Roberts unless they have a sensible local rule that all of your players are used to and would be "normal" in your city, as it'll lead to the fewest arguments. [e.g. Your local B&M card room shuffles the burn cards back in -- perhaps you should consider doing so too.]
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02-14-2011 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by minerman

Cards come out, 10c, 5c, 2d...

Villian bets out, and I have Ac,6c and raise him all in.

When I say "all in", the dealer was off in space and thought I called. He flips the next card before the villian makes his decision and then he tries to cover it and asks if anyone saw it.
Did he burn a card first and then flip the next card, or did he just flip the next card?

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Originally Posted by minerman

He flips it up and its the King of clubs, the best possible card for me.

The villian sits and thinks about it and eventually folds. If he would have called, I probably would have missed my flush and been knocked out of the tournament.
I'm sorry, I thought you held A6 of clubs with two clubs already on the board. How would you have missed your flush if he called? You got there when the dealer flipped the Kc.

I'm confused (as usual).
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02-14-2011 , 05:11 PM
What Palimax said!
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02-14-2011 , 05:12 PM
I agree with Pali & Meat on reshuffling the card back into the deck...if only because that's the way it's done in my local cardrooms.

(and I don't mean in Bahrain cardrooms (oxymoron)...I mean back home in WA. And that's how we do it in my temporary home game here too).
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02-14-2011 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Zappa
Did he burn a card first and then flip the next card, or did he just flip the next card?



I'm sorry, I thought you held A6 of clubs with two clubs already on the board. How would you have missed your flush if he called? You got there when the dealer flipped the Kc.

I'm confused (as usual).
Yeah, he burned 1 and then flipped Kc.

That would have made my flush...but I was just speaking of the possibility that I might not have made my hand.
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02-14-2011 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Zappa

I'm confused (as usual).
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Originally Posted by minerman
That would have made my flush...but I was just speaking of the possibility that I might not have made my hand.

Let's try this again, for poor Zappa:

".... might not have made my hand, if the King was taken out of play and I had to draw again for the third flush card".

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02-14-2011 , 08:47 PM
That's it. Who wants some???
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02-14-2011 , 08:58 PM
Awful?
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02-14-2011 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Zappa
That's it. Who wants some???
Careful. This is the internets. There are lots of tough guys in these parts...
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02-15-2011 , 12:48 AM
Zappa can make an "internet tough guy" foul his pants and his Aeron chair with a mere look.

Zappa doesn't consider it a real home game unless a player rips the head off another player and ***** down his neck after taking his stack.

Zappa is to Chuck Norris what Chuck Norris is to the average man.
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02-15-2011 , 02:56 AM
In Soviet Russia, you beat up on Zappa.

Am I doing it right?
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02-15-2011 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
In Soviet Russia, you beat up on Zappa.

Am I doing it right?
I think it's some variation of that...
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