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07-30-2010 , 09:57 PM
At my 5p/10p home game this evening, we agreed to play the seven-deuce bounty game whereby if someone won a pot with that hand, every player would pay them 1.25. A hand occurred where I opened, my friend 3bet, I shoved 72o and he called his 70bb stack with 72s. The board ran out a chop, so we'd each won half a pot with seven deuce. Would each of the rest of the players pay one bounty only and we split the total? Or should each of us get a 1.25 bounty from every player? Never seen this situation arise before. We decided that we both get 1.25 from each player so 2 bounties were paid by all not in the hand. Is this fair?
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07-30-2010 , 09:59 PM
Chop the pot, chop the bounty.
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07-30-2010 , 10:18 PM
^
What he said.
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07-30-2010 , 11:03 PM
You could make an argument that neither player "won a pot" with their 72, and as such, neither player gets bounty money/chips from the other players. If you don't believe this, then I'd have to assume that BOTH players "won a pot" and as such, they BOTH deserve bounty money/chips from the other players -- not just half.

I'd pay 'em both.
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07-31-2010 , 12:51 AM
i would be more concerned with why i am playing in a game where players will shove and insta call with any form of 7 2...
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07-31-2010 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMeat
i would be more concerned with why i am playing in a game where players will shove and insta call with any form of 7 2...
Because of the bounty, duh.
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07-31-2010 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMeat
i would be more concerned with why i am playing in a game where players will shove and insta call with any form of 7 2...
You gotta be kidding me. Why wouldn't you want to play in this game? I'll take your seat if you don't want it.
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07-31-2010 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMeat
i would be more concerned with why i am playing in a game where players will shove and insta call with any form of 7 2...
because in terms of BB's that is a huge 7-2 bounty.
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07-31-2010 , 03:35 AM
is 5p/10p 5 pence/ 10 pence?
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07-31-2010 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cuddlesgeage
is 5p/10p 5 pence/ 10 pence?
Yes, so the bounty from each player was 12.5BBs. The hand was kind of funny my mate was stuck and tilting after some bad beats before it went down, he didn't snap call after I shoved but after some deliberation decided to gamble it up and called off the rest of his stack.
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07-31-2010 , 08:04 AM
In our game we don't pay a bounty, because the pot was not won outright by any player.

For those who say chop the bounty, what if a straight came on board, no one could play a card from their hand, and someone had 72?
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07-31-2010 , 08:58 AM
i'd chop the bounty.

at my game we also play 72, but only for 1bb from each player. even with that, we have some people going buck wild trying to win with 72. with 12+bb bounty, i cant even imagine......
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07-31-2010 , 09:13 AM
I would not pay the bounty since you didnt win you tied.
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07-31-2010 , 10:21 AM
Slightly off topic,

The bounty is WAY too high. You're no longer playing hold'em, you're playing some form of "find the 7-2" (especially considering the stacks, sometimes the bounty is more than DOUBLING you up). 2.5bbs is probably the maximum I'd play it for assuming a full table (more than 6 players). You might go up to 10bbs if it's playing very short handed, or heads up (ala' durrrr heads up challenge).

Considering the minimal stakes though, I might allow for a 50p bounty since 25p doesn't feel like a "real" enough reward.
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07-31-2010 , 03:03 PM
...which is why I'm in favor of paying them BOTH or paying them NEITHER. Chopping makes little sense as to the prop bet.

I suggest that you rephrase your bet to include the word "scoop" or "entire" when describing the victory condition -- and the problem is solved without needing a long-winded explanation of chop pots.
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07-31-2010 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by eneely
In our game we don't pay a bounty, because the pot was not won outright by any player.

For those who say chop the bounty, what if a straight came on board, no one could play a card from their hand, and someone had 72?
I'd still pay at least half the bounty to each.

I like to encourage people to play 72. Just because they didn't technically win the whole pot, doesn't mean I don't want to encourage them.
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07-31-2010 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
Chop the pot, chop the bounty.
This ainec.
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07-31-2010 , 08:41 PM
...tho' as I think about it, I don't pay if a 7-2 chops with a different hand...

Hmm.
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08-01-2010 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMeat
i would be more concerned with why i am playing in a game where players will shove and insta call with any form of 7 2...
Actually then, that makes me want to play in the game even MORE, and double that if you're also in the game, because you don't get it and won't make the proper adjustments, making your play even worse than the ones who are playing 72.

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Oh woe is me! I might have to play in a game with bad players and thus I wouldn't be able to feel self-righteous and snobby about how I'm a "good player" anymore!!


As for the OP, I would reason that splitting equals winning, i.e. not losing to a better hand, and thus collecting chips, is the same as winning. Therefore all players should pay each player who played 72 and collected chips as a result the required bounty.
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08-01-2010 , 11:04 AM
A chop pot is not a win or a loss, so nobody should have been paid.

We play 7-2 pretty much every cash game we run and have always made it clear a chop is not a win.

Here is a good example as to why:

You open UTG with 7-2 trying to steal, everyone folds to the BB who calls you with A7s.

The flop is 6 8 9...check, bet, call.

Turn 5.

You guys stack off and end up splitting the pot.

In that situation, you did not win the hand. You split the pot. Nobody would pay you a bounty there, as they shouldn't. I think the fact that both of you had 72 made it a little more confusing, but neither of you won the hand technically. IMO, no bounty should be awarded.
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08-01-2010 , 03:48 PM
i love it when people focus on how much people will get paid to spew with 72, like there is some amount that is too much. Why would you ever, ever, ever want to discourage someone willing to give action with the worst hand gtd????????? This makes no sense to me, i mean obv you cant go to the extreme of like a full buy in but i think anything 20bb or less should be jumped at if youre a half competant player. Ya you stand to lose 12.5bb if they drag a pot, but if every single time someone is dealt that hand, they are going to play it, your implied odds are likely going to be their whole stack.

The point of this sidegame/prop is to induce action, if you dont like action in your cash games stick to tournaments or stop playing poker

* to the original point of the thread
I say if you chop and there was any extra money there, technically thats a win, even if you do chop the bb...you dragged more than what you put in right?

But when we play it at my game, a walk isnt a win. This does go against the above opinion, but its in the interest of speeding up the game, because if it was a win, there would never be a flop we didnt see, and that sucks when you get 1/2 as many hands p/h because of that, home games are slow enough without that bs.
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08-01-2010 , 04:05 PM
But you don't need to offer a 12.5 BB bounty to get people to play it like it's the nuts. Even the tightest nits will do it for 4 BBs. 8-handed, that's more than a 1/4 stack overlay.
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08-01-2010 , 04:08 PM
We had been doing 1BB, but the big gamboolers stopped coming by as much, so I raised it to 2BB. Even the nits start getting dollar signs in their eyes when they see someone pull in a 16BB bounty.

Someone once commented that the game didn't need the 7-2, it had enough action as it was. Uh... as it was includes the bounty. I guarantee it spices up the game. Best prop ever.
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08-01-2010 , 04:15 PM
We rarely play this game, but when we do, we've found that 4BB wasn't enough to make it worth playing for, unless you can limp and see the flop come K22 or A77, which it did three times one night. If we want it to be worth playing, we've found 6-8BB is about right.

BTW, I bluffed off about a third of my stack representing the fourth time someone with 72 got a x22 flop, in this case A22, but an ace called me down. Should have made it a little larger on the river when it came A22QQ, because he was on the verge of folding. On the other hand, it is the rare failed play like this that gets me action, so I consider it an investment for the future.
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08-01-2010 , 04:29 PM
Jebus, how big are your pots that a a 20-32BB splash isn't worthwhile?

I think my biggest bet with a whiffed 7-2 was 120BBs on the turn, with plenty more behind. Gulp!

Got it twice last week on the button, in favorable situations. Cha-ching! I rarely play it, but these were great spots. The second time on the turn, one guy was really on the verge of calling, but he had someone behind (who I knew would fold, but he wasn't sure). "Show me the 7-2." "Okay!"
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