South Park got me with Joffrey.

If you want to be a **** and be banned until GRRM finishes book 7 sure.

I'm trying to bring the bookreaders back into the fold they also watch the show and also enjoy it, if I find that people are being pricks about it we will just exile them out again.

But at the end of the day it really doesnt matter to me greatly and rather the regular show watchers only figure it out.

So wait how did you get spoiled with Joffrey if your a book reader?

He read the books after season 4 was over?

I can't believe anyone (except bookreaders) is for allowing bookreaders in our thread.

Do you guys really not remember how absolutely terrible that was? I'm not talking about wedding style spoilers, I'm talking about the constant steering of discussion, pointing out the important bits etc etc.

40% of the thread (and it was huge) was non-bookreaders asking bookreaders to **** off.

They have their thread where they can talk about their things. Why should they be allowed back to ruining ours? I don't get it.

For me the reason for allowing (or even encouraging!) bookreaders to participate is they're mostly going to be super knowledgeable and enthusiastic so they'll be on hand to explain stuff to the lazy / casual viewers such as myself. I've watched and re-watched every single episode and consider myself a serious fan of the show, yet I still struggle to piece together some of the more nuanced relationships and backstories at times and I've benefited hugely from having a few book reader friends who've patiently walked me through it over the years.

Of course this all hinges on there not being a meaningful number of bookreaders who will either knowingly spoil upcoming plot points just to be a dick, or unwittingly drop clues by carelessly drawing attention to important stuff non-readers might otherwise have missed. I guess the latter is going to be a pretty big problem with so many non-readers knowing who the readers are and over-analysing everything they post, which would just be a recipe for AIDS. I had the advantage of being given a list of bookreaders to put on my ignore list a few years ago, so I probably missed a lot of that sort of thing in previous seasons, but the paranoia of some non-readers has long been a big negative.

All that said, maybe I'm changing my opinion. Perhaps a dedicated thread for people who haven't read the books is actually still the best way of preventing endless derails about spoilers. I'm fine with either option, I guess.

Reading is hard

LO,

You're excited about the prospect of having bookreaders available to explain stuff, but also were happy to have a list of the bookreaders so you could ignore them last time around?

And yeah, the AIDS recipe will come true.

It was a more specific list of book readers whose posts I should avoid reading. Idiots like tens r us who either pretended to speculate about stuff they already knew, or just dropped spoilers without even realising they were doing it.

Anyway I'm not strongly in favour of letting the book readers back in, I was just pointing out the potential argument for. I'm easy.

I posted in the book reader thread about wanting to post with the show only folks this year but other readers shouted me down because of the speculation/"having book knowledge" issue, constantly sidetracking the thread and I get it.

I'm seriously only in it to make reactionary posts like "damn those titties were nice" and "that dude swung that sword like a mutha****a" because I love the game of thrones world and want to share the show watching experience with as many people as possible. But if the consensus is to keep it separate I get it. I'd only request post approval be lifted to make the thread away more fun to lurk.

As a book reader I believe it would be better keeping the groups separate, although it wouldn't hurt to try letting them mingle. If tards post too many leading questions action can be taken.

It also could turn out hilariously if our speculation in certain areas turns out to be wrong...

An overheard conversation at a restaurant salad bar spoiled Tyrion kills Tywin for me.

But <shrug> so what? Leave it open and ban whoever posts an obvious spoiler.

The issue that bothers me is that this sort of environment stifles honest speculation.

I'm not trying to take ownership of the thread, but I'm going to be watching GoT and probably posting itt, so you can count me as like .5 of a mod.

So sounds like we have 3 broad options:

A) One thread for everyone
B) Separate threads for bookreaders and non-bookreaders with open posting in the non-bookreader thread
C) Separate threads for bookreaders and non book readers with approved posting in the non-bookreader thread

I vote B. Others?

B

Or A with a very HEAVY banstick on spoiling, leading discussion, general bookreader tooling it up.

B for me.

A separate question is if we do B or C, do we move the bookreader thread into this subforum or not? The only reason for this sub was to enable the post approving, which would now be moot, and I know at least killa would prefer to have them all under 1 umbrella. Conversely, everyone is already very used to their current locations, so why fix what isn't broken?

Oh just FYI if it was unclear there will always be 2 threads...

B for sure. Keep the bookreader thread in regular OOTV so there is no accidental clicking.

So is a new thread going up for the new season tomor?

I guess it can, but why? We did 4 and 5 in the same thread.

I wasn't sure where to post was all.

definitely want C - way too many problems last year

is it hard to get mods available to approve them?

What problems were those? There are no more major spoilers to reveal, so you must be talking about something else.

Maybe not last year, but the prior years. People were talking about idiots who came in and spoiled - luckily, I avoided reading a spoiler myself and I was the one who suggested the approval thread.

How do we know there is not a single spoiler left?