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Old 08-16-2017, 11:26 PM   #126
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Re: HBO LEAKED SPOILERS DISCUSSION (TV SHOW SPOILERS)

because it bagged them a dragon. jon snow is playing checkers.
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Old 08-17-2017, 12:05 AM   #127
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everytime Hound drops a c-bomb I lol irl
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:19 AM   #128
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I don't know if it's because I had read it all before and the spoilers were pretty accurate, but everything felt boring, like we've seen all before. it was an ice version of the same thing dany did on ep 4. hardhome + ep 4, actually.

I mean, I liked it and all, but for the first time the time travel thing annoyed me. like, REALLY? gendry goes to the wall to warn dany and they just stand there, looking at the wights and white walkers for god knows how long until she gets there? I mean shouldn't ravens take at least some days to get there? not to mention the travel time for dany to actually get there. sigh.
They established in a past episode that a flock of ravens can quickly fly from Bran's tree to where the walkers were in like no time so a giant dragon being able to fly faster doesn't seem all that awful given all the previous time jumps.

For whatever reason they decided to wrap this all up in 13 episodes so at this point u just have to accept it as part of quickly moving the chest pieces around.

Also at this point Jon has shown he's terrible at making battle/strategic decisions and always has to get saved by someone else (stannis, melisandre, sansa, danearys, etc)...so the episode is at least true to the character

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Old 08-17-2017, 01:28 AM   #129
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that's the problem you have with the episode? not uncle deus ex machina benji showing up out of nowhere again?

lol seems pretty nitty and dumb. Say they're 50 miles from the wall and ~ 200 miles from dany. could easily take less than half a day with dragon flight.

can anyone explain to me the significance of the convo between sam and gilly when she was talking about the annulment with rhaegar or something? were they implying jon snow might be rhaegar's bastard and not eddard starks? I was confused by that scene but felt like it was significant. Especially when hardly a few scenes later someone mentions how jon doesn't look like his father.
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:48 AM   #130
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I am assuming NK can just burn a hole through the wall with his new dragon.
To give you an idea of some of the nittery in the book readers thread there was a post where a guy figured out how much energy a dragon would have expend in order to melt through the wall and it was a lot. The dragon would need to be magic or something in order to create that much energy.

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because it bagged them a dragon. jon snow is playing checkers.
So let Gendry get away, kill them, take one dragon out when she comes to investigate.



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that's the problem you have with the episode? not uncle deus ex machina benji showing up out of nowhere again?
This show needed some old characters we haven't seen for awhile to come back on screen for some fan service. Not nearly enough of that happening.
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:51 AM   #131
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that's the problem you have with the episode? not uncle deus ex machina benji showing up out of nowhere again?

lol seems pretty nitty and dumb. Say they're 50 miles from the wall and ~ 200 miles from dany. could easily take less than half a day with dragon flight.

can anyone explain to me the significance of the convo between sam and gilly when she was talking about the annulment with rhaegar or something? were they implying jon snow might be rhaegar's bastard and not eddard starks? I was confused by that scene but felt like it was significant. Especially when hardly a few scenes later someone mentions how jon doesn't look like his father.
they were further supporting previous mention of Rhaegar leaving his wife/marriage to marry Lyanna who was carrying his son...Jon

Making Jon the rightful heir to the iron thone.
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Old 08-17-2017, 02:44 AM   #132
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Making Jon the rightful heir to the iron thone.
This.

He's not the bastard son, he's the full blown Targaryen heir, fully legitimate.
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:05 AM   #133
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can anyone explain to me the significance of the convo between sam and gilly when she was talking about the annulment with rhaegar or something? were they implying jon snow might be rhaegar's bastard and not eddard starks? I was confused by that scene but felt like it was significant. Especially when hardly a few scenes later someone mentions how jon doesn't look like his father.
Is this a serious post?




I can't figure out how I feel about this episode. First half was great - the different convos with all the different characters, we need more of that. When they got attacked by the bear it was thrilling and I thought someone important might actually die, butnah.

I actually don't think the timejumps are that egregious. The thing that should have taken the most time was Gendry running back to the wall. After that, I think a raven could reasonably fly to Dragonstone in... less than a day? And then Dany flying back north could take a few hours.

I don't understand why the Night King didn't just freeze the ice himself since that's probably a thing he can do, then have his army attack.

About the dragon melting the wall, what if he breaths ice, not fire?

Agree that Benjen coming back is pretty stupid. Why do D&D love to make it look like major characters are gonna die when we all know they're not?

As far as the Winterfell stuff... pretty dumb. I was hoping that Arya would be able to see through Littlefinger's manipulations, because that would actually be interesting. Of course they didn't go that route.

Did Arya give the dagger to Sansa just to say, "I don't even need this if I wanna kill you" sorta thing?
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:07 AM   #134
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This season feels like a film where you fast forward to just watch the important scenes. The dialogues between Arya and Sansa were just a waste of time. I understand that Arya is a tough girl but she didnt had to sleep with Ramsay Bolton. Kinda felt sad for Sansa there that Arya would be that ignorant. Not even trying to work together after both endured so much ****. Nah just take the first opportunity to pick a fight. Since Sansa didnt dispute that she actually wrote this message it had to be real.

So how did get the undead the dragon chained up? Although it was a 100% nobrainer. As soon as he hit the dragon and it fell into the sea it was obvious that this will become an undead dragon.
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:13 AM   #135
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Oh yeah, btw pretty convenient that the army of the dead just has four MASSIVE chains for this exact scenario. I mean overall it's a minor nit I guess but.. pretty stupid. Why not just have him fall into the side of the mountain, not underwater?
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:37 AM   #136
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Lol this **** is hilarious. I noticed during the ep but forgot afterwards. https://gfycat.com/ImpossibleBowedAustraliancattledog
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:42 AM   #137
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Benjen was sent by the lord of light obviously
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Old 08-17-2017, 04:23 AM   #138
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Oh yeah, btw pretty convenient that the army of the dead just has four MASSIVE chains for this exact scenario. I mean overall it's a minor nit I guess but.. pretty stupid. Why not just have him fall into the side of the mountain, not underwater?
because then you ask why they didn't have the other dragons burn up his corpse so that it couldn't get wighted once they confirmed that it was dead.
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Old 08-17-2017, 05:13 AM   #139
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The dragon dying was very sad
Not really, the audience have no connection to that Dragon. It was locked under a pyramid for 2 seasosn, burns a few boats at Mereen then nothing else. Drogon is the only one viewers care for.

Didn't really like the episode. As someone said, Arya has gone mental? Where is Bran to deal with all this drama, is he going to play peacemaker and deal with LF next episode.

Probably the worst instance of time travel, Gendry running back to wall, OK I can accept that as lets allow they were only a few hours away from wall, then a Raven gets all the way to Dragonstone, that's got to be days right? Then Dany makes it all the way back again and the Dead are just standing there?

Was like a Star Trek episode where all the red shirts die, felt literally no concern for Jon, shame he/we only had 30 seconds with epic Benjen.

How do Spanish TV **** up this bad?
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Old 08-17-2017, 05:39 AM   #140
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Not really, the audience have no connection to that Dragon. It was locked under a pyramid for 2 seasosn, burns a few boats at Mereen then nothing else. Drogon is the only one viewers care for.
I don't need to have a personal connection to an animal to find it sad to watch it die while screaming in pain.
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Old 08-17-2017, 07:05 AM   #141
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This season feels like a film where you fast forward to just watch the important scenes.
As someone on reddit eloquently put: It's like everyone got together to play this epic game of dungeons and dragons, they did a bunch of great build but now it's late and people need to go home.
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Old 08-17-2017, 08:02 AM   #142
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I don't need to have a personal connection to an animal to find it sad to watch it die while screaming in pain.
Fictional animal. The Dragon in question spent 2 seasons locked beneath the pyramid, burnt a few ships at Mereen and flew around a bit. No connection to the viewer. Drogon on the other hand has been through a lot, I felt my heart pumping faster when Bronn lined up that 2nd Scorpion shot. This Dragon going down wasn't much more important than an extra dying.
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Old 08-17-2017, 08:07 AM   #143
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I didnt really get the Brienne stuff. LF/Sansa scheme up some idea involving Brienne where it sounds like theyre saying she can kill arya? but then she sends her to KL. Didnt really get it
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Old 08-17-2017, 08:35 AM   #144
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I didnt really get the Brienne stuff. LF/Sansa scheme up some idea involving Brienne where it sounds like theyre saying she can kill arya? but then she sends her to KL. Didnt really get it

Maybe to get Brienne out of the way should Sansa and LF want to have Arya killed.

My 2 cents/predictions:
1. Can't see another dragon getting killed, at least not until some eggs are layed.
2. What Red Witch will allow Dany to bear Jon's children.
3. What episode will the two loyality switching Northern Lords be killed, by this seasons end??
4. Gentry and Sansa meeting before season end, love at first sight??
5. Hound killing his brother by season end or early next season?

There's more, but will leave it at the 5 above.
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Old 08-17-2017, 08:47 AM   #145
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Has Jon Snow caused the invasion of Westeros by the loss of a Dragon. Night King uses a Dragon to bypass the Wall somehow which he couldn't do before.
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I'm guessing their reason for marching to the wall was to invade. Seems kind of silly if they had no way to get past the wall.
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Fictional animal. The Dragon in question spent 2 seasons locked beneath the pyramid, burnt a few ships at Mereen and flew around a bit. No connection to the viewer. Drogon on the other hand has been through a lot, I felt my heart pumping faster when Bronn lined up that 2nd Scorpion shot. This Dragon going down wasn't much more important than an extra dying.
Opinions, you know. I found it sad watching the dragon die. I'm not the only one.
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I'm guessing their reason for marching to the wall was to invade. Seems kind of silly if they had no way to get past the wall.
Maybe the NK has visions like Joquen Reed and he knew this was the moment to take the Dragon and get his weapon to bypass the Wall. Maybe not though, who knows.
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Opinions, you know. I found it sad watching the dragon die. I'm not the only one.
I guess I'm not saying it wasn't a sad moment, it just fell a lot flatter than it should have done.

Like Rickon getting shot dead by Ramsey, it was bit like "meh, who cares about Rickon".
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they are straight warp travelling now lol.
I quite liked the ep actually, dialogue was better written, characters behaved like themselves. But yeah, lets do the timewarp again. Gendry runs back to Eastwatch, sends a raven to Dragonstone, and Dany mounts up and rides north, all in however long it was where they didn't freeze to death. Dragonstone to Eastwatch is basically the whole length of Westeros, it's supposed to be about the size of South America. Not really bothered by it, it's whatever, but at this point they may as well just have characters be in two places at once.
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