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Old 08-05-2017, 08:15 AM   #26
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Does all of it go to the bank? There wasn't any for themselves?
Let me just check my Lannister Iron back accounts spreadsheet?

WTF kind of question is this?

I have access to exactly the same info you do, e.g. dialogue in the show, perhaps try listening?

"Its not our gold, its the Iron banks gold".

That is what Jamie said.

"All the gold is safe in Kings Landing"

What some other guy said.

Point is, its all safe in Kings Landing, the gold.

Obviously the potential is there for the Lannisters to try and keep some of it, hide it etc, but the other point is there were no scenes with Jamie discussing the gold haul with the Lannister family accountant.

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Old 08-05-2017, 08:26 AM   #27
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Things no one are mentioning.

Cersei discussing I think they were called the Golden Horde, and the IB guy saying yea we use those guys, they are legit.

The upshot was that if you pay what you owe, we can lend you more, and then you can spend that on elite mercenaries.

Its pretty clear that they had to work in some reverses for team Targaryen as they were so ahead in manpower+dragons, they could have won in EP1 no problem, cut to burning white walkers, no need for 10 episodes. So cut to two seemingly effortless victories for Team Lannister.

Dont read the books, but the Tyrells according to Wiki are meant to have a pretty substantial army, just got waffle crushed with not even a montage.

Need to balance things up the other way now, but still leave Lannisters with skin in the game, so they lost their army, but kept the gold, which allows them to mercenary up. Obviously have to work in some moral reasons why Dany just does not go and melt Cersie.

Show is becoming very by the numbers and meta predictable, hope they throw in some curve balls, but from a how will the mechanics of the seasons tempo work perspective, its seems on rails at the moment.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:54 AM   #28
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So Arya is 100% killing someone with that dagger. Maybe cersei, maybe littlefinger, maybe both.
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Old 08-05-2017, 09:36 AM   #29
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Odds on a Arya/The Hound vs the mountain showdown?
That would be cool. Arya killing the Mountain as revenge for him killing the Hound? It seems likely that her fighting style is the only one that can beat zombie mountain. It's more like Oberyn's.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:09 AM   #30
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Btw, was hoping for a Cyrio shout out, but 'no one' was pretty chilling. Kudos to the actress for her stunt work. Made the Arya / Brienne scene.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:34 AM   #31
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Wasn't the Golden Horde commanded by her former lover who she left behind?

Btw: How loyal do you think the bloodriders are? I mean in case Dany helps Jon fighting the undead later and suffer huge losses do you think they fight to the end? I mean they came from a continent where there are no undead. Might as well abandon the seven kingdoms and go back.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:50 AM   #32
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Wasn't the Golden Horde commanded by her former lover who she left behind?
They were the Second Sons
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Old 08-05-2017, 01:14 PM   #33
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So Arya is 100% killing someone with that dagger. Maybe cersei, maybe littlefinger, maybe both.
Curious what sort of duplicitous plot we're gonna figure littlefinger is wrapped up in. But fo sho he dead.
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Old 08-05-2017, 02:19 PM   #34
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Obviously a sick episode but would have liked her to be on one of the other dragons and it got badly injured to even up things a little bit. Really think Tyrion might turn on her depending on how shes gonna treat Jaime/Bronn. He looked legit devastated seeing the Lannisters get torched and gaped by dothraki.
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Old 08-05-2017, 02:59 PM   #35
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So I guess the dragons aren't 'fully grown'? Because those spears wouldn't have penetrated Drogon if so right?
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Old 08-05-2017, 04:53 PM   #36
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Dickon saved him.
dickon saved him from the dothraki earlier in the battle.
bronn saved him from drogons fire. (just before that final scene he was eyeing a white horse after the ballista got blown up and it was 2 white horses in the shot jamie got pulled into the water).

no love for stannis ghost? best fanservice ever by the onion knight
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Stannis ghost? I must have missed that
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He means when Jon said less and davos corrected him, "fewer".
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Ahhh yes, I did notice that. Nice touch
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:22 PM   #40
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So I guess the dragons aren't 'fully grown'? Because those spears wouldn't have penetrated Drogon if so right?
Iirc dragons never really stop growing. Either that or they grow until they are something ridiculous like 200 years
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Dont read the books, but the Tyrells according to Wiki are meant to have a pretty substantial army, just got waffle crushed with not even a montage.
a large portion of that army defected with Tarly.
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:42 PM   #42
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Was not really impressed with this episode, certainly don't think it is anywhere in the top 10 episodes are especially not one of the GOAT.

That battle scene should have been the opening scene for this season. It's pretty ****ing obvious that Dany is going to attack with the dragons and the dothraki at some point... no need to waste several episodes having her throw away her allies after we just spent several seasons focusing on how she gains them to begin with.

At no point did I think the Lannisters stand a chance against Dany, and I still don't. It's just a waste of time to try to even up the stakes like this. It would be a far better story to just open the season with this battle.

Having said that, the battle itself is very low stake (part of the reason it'd be so good as an opening scene to the season). Dany 0 chance she dies. Jaime 0 chance. Tyrion 0 chance. Bronn 15% chance. Drogon 0 chance. So once again watching this I felt absolutely nothing surprising happened and it wasn't suspenseful at all for me.

Brienne and Arya was the best scene imo, followed by Bran saying "chaos is a ladder" and then Davos's grammar lesson. All of those were the highlights of the episode imo and the rest was pretty meh. So far very disappointed with this season.
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:42 PM   #43
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The scales of any dragon shouldnt be able to be penetrated because it is their literal magic armor i believe. The only way to kill them with an arrow is via their eyes or their rider...so the successfull ballista shot to the flank was done purely for dramatic effect.

and yes i was referring to davos' grammar-stannis moment.
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Was not really impressed with this episode, certainly don't think it is anywhere in the top 10 episodes are especially not one of the GOAT.

That battle scene should have been the opening scene for this season. It's pretty ****ing obvious that Dany is going to attack with the dragons and the dothraki at some point... no need to waste several episodes having her throw away her allies after we just spent several seasons focusing on how she gains them to begin with.

At no point did I think the Lannisters stand a chance against Dany, and I still don't. It's just a waste of time to try to even up the stakes like this. It would be a far better story to just open the season with this battle.

Having said that, the battle itself is very low stake (part of the reason it'd be so good as an opening scene to the season). Dany 0 chance she dies. Jaime 0 chance. Tyrion 0 chance. Bronn 15% chance. Drogon 0 chance. So once again watching this I felt absolutely nothing surprising happened and it wasn't suspenseful at all for me.

Brienne and Arya was the best scene imo, followed by Bran saying "chaos is a ladder" and then Davos's grammar lesson. All of those were the highlights of the episode imo and the rest was pretty meh. So far very disappointed with this season.
Jesus people are hard to please. This was probably my favorite moment of in this show.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:16 PM   #45
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Yeah I also thought Brienne v Arya was a terrible scene, the worst in the episode. That was one of the awkward character moments I was talking about. Arya has learnt some swordwork but lol at the idea that she can hold her own against one of the best duellers out there with her toy sword that she got given as a kid. I also thought it was out of character for Brienne to get all riled up, she does not have a big ego and if anyone should be unsurprised by a girl who can fight, it should be her. The whole scene was fan service cringe from start to finish, it was in there so people could go "Go Arya, you go girl!".
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I agree Bran's "chaos is a ladder" was probably the high point of the ep though. Littlefinger so shook. But after that the high points all involved things getting incinerated.
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80%+ of this episode was fanservice. Arya and Brienne was just the most fun.
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80%+ of this episode was fanservice. Arya and Brienne was just the most fun.
Meh. I think you have a loose definition of fan service. Dany's dragons rolling in and blasting things to pieces is a necessary part of the plot. I know we've had the story manipulated to make it look like Cersei might have a chance, but that's not "fan service" either, it's storytelling (contrived, but storytelling). Fan service is Ed Sheeran cameos, continued tough talking by adorable Lyanna Mormont, the Arya/Brienne scene, etc.
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Jamie charging the dragon, Bronn scoring a wounding hit somehow. It was done largely in a way to get people's favorite characters to do the coolest things possible.
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Jamie charging the dragon, Bronn scoring a wounding hit somehow. It was done largely in a way to get people's favorite characters to do the coolest things possible.
ya I agree that the arya brienne scene was cringe. but as for this stuff, well, you do need stuff to happen and characters to do it for there to be an actual show.
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