Wut was that? I can never get the 30 secs I looked at that vid back. I want in fact you should pay me 2 bucks (30secs of my hrly) for viewing it.

Having Joffrey's younger brother become king (or king in waiting) just strikes me as so odd. He's had like 5 minutes of screen time in 4 seasons and maybe what 2-3 lines? Joffrey on the other hand was a very well developed character pre-king and you could tell he was going to be important. Some person you have never seen and know nothing at all about just all the sudden being the most important person in the kingdom seems like a stetch.

It seems like a lock that Tywin is gonna be acting king for awhile.

Yes, his father was the leader of the Riverlands (he was the one who died and Edmure tried to shoot his boat with the arrow and kept bricking).

I don't think he has any. It's just him and his new wife and Ramsey

Ser Dontos the Red of House Hollard. In 2x1 he showed up drunk to Joffery's birthday tourney so Joffery made him a fool and stripped him of his knighthood.

That's why GRRM and GOT is so great, anyone else writing this and we'd probably have the finale be Joffery vs Jon Snow or something in an epic duel for the kingdom and Jon wins and marrying Dany or something. GRRM just kills Joffery, because that's what happens to kings in a society like Westeros, sometimes they get got.

IDC who killed joff, or why even. I'll enjoy watching the ensuing episodes as it unwinds. I'll enjoy watching them all the more because that horribly cringe worthy character won't be in every other scene. I just couldn't stand him, and now I don't have to.

The fact that Tommen's had no screen time is probably a major reason I never considered Joffrey dying. Just because Tommen is King doesn't mean he'll necessarily be a huge character, although he'll certainly start getting scenes and lines. They've turned peripheral characters into major ones before. Like, isn't Lord Bolton in earlier seasons here and there?

Those around the margins often come to the center.

Khal Drogo swearing to the mother of mountains. You might have to learn Dothraki.

Are we allowed to discuss the preview for next week?

Season 1 you can see his bannermen if you look carefully. He starts popping up in season 2 a few times.

Not 100% but I always thought preview talk was against most OOTV rules

Twice now I've googled characters innocently trying to find the actors name or something similar, and Google has auto-completed suggestions which can easily be big spoilers

Just a heads up to people, be careful.

I think the OP says it's OK in spoiler tags (the only time they're allowed).

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Hasn't happened to me yet. Any time I want to know names I go to the GoT TV Wiki page or imdb. Googling character names does seem like a bad idea. :P

When Robert died his presumed son - Joffrey was crowned King and not his brothers. Blackfish is the brother of Hoster(The father of Caitlyn/Edmure/Lysa), when he died Edmure went to be the Head of House Tully. Now he doesn`t have Kids so next in line would be Caitlyn(She is older than Lysa) but she is dead, so I think her children would be next in line thus Bran.

I could be wrong though.

Your name only matters so much. Dany is the rightful heir and she isn't even in Westeros. And her family overthrew someone else. They were in power for thousands of years and she's like one of the few (two?) living Targs. Robert was King only because he raised an army and took it; and his rebellious partners didn't contest the throne.

technically the kids of lysa and catlyn aren't tullys though, are they? i thought it always had to be patrilineal.

The name BARATHEON helped him considerably as they were a powerful family before the rebellion (obviously, also says so in the extras). He could call on banners that were loyal to him over the crown. Just as Robb did the same later. It's infinitely more difficult to rise to true power without a noble birth.

Who is the most powerful player not from noble birth?

Is Mance from nobility? If not, him.

gameofthrones.wikia.com is pretty good at keeping all info up to date on the show. (It didn't say Joffery died until after the last episode aired) Stay away from the "in the books" section, even though I believe it's only up to date with the show (For example, if Steve was a character who dies a week after Joffery's death it wouldn't say that in Steve's "in the books" section until the event of Steve's death in the show does/doesn't take place)

I'm also of the opinion the necklace has got to be involved in some capacity.

Given that it had it's own scene last episode and given how Olenna came over and played with it and such.

The ABC explanation would be one of the crystals conained some sort of poison and it was somehow slipped to Joffrey at some point.

However why go to the trouble to have Sansa unknowingly smuggle it in her necklace? Maybe to to frame her later, in case something went wrong or you got caught, everyone would totally buy her wanting to kill him.

But the only thing that doesn't make sense is the timing of it. Why kill him immediately after the wedding but before it's consumated. It seems like the Tyrells are the biggest loser in Joffrey's death, unless they wanna marry Marge off to Tommen instead, as Joffrey was a lunatic.

They're Arryns and Starks respectively. They could inherit House Tully if enough people in line die (I think after Edmure it would go to Brann if I understand my rules of succession correctly. And if the ones I'm using are the same as GRRM)

To be fair, Mance is a leader of wildlings, they really don't care about nobility. I'd say Varys or LF.

Based on everything we've seen the "crown" rules in GoT pretty much follow the traditional ones like the British crown.

would be pretty awesome if at the start of next ep we see tywin and jamie trying to figure this out... jamie thinks it's the tyrells but tywin rules it out for exactly this reason.

No

Tywin was already in charge. Joffrey was just a puppet.

That's the point. I'm talking about the person who has become most powerful due to nothing related to their name at birth. Mance is #1 that I can think of. And #2 is Melissandre over LF or Varys imo. She can raise an army and they cannot.