Hi guys, twitch chat still not safe from GoT spoilers. It seems like it was stuff that just happened with some "clarifications" from a book reader but just another friendly FYI. This was on WCS America for SC2. Basically just consider nothing safe, don't click like on the game of thrones page since top comments sometimes have spoilers. Don't read twitter etc etc.

My hbo go went out monday morning when I got home from working a graveyard and couldn't watch the show.

I am pretty sure it has to be little finger. I think the question lies in the fact who sansa needs and wants. Little Finger always wanted her bad and he needs her to raise a army, he can get an army from the north through her(You see Vixticator, LF NEEDS THAT POWERRR, THAT ARMY)

The only question now is why did LF wanted joffrey the king dead if he only needs sansa.
To steal sansa's heart?
To create chaos? (maybe he even didn't care who died at the wedding but he only wanted sansa and needed chaos for that reason, IDK)
Or are there some benefits on a political scale that the tyrrels are out of the game or something, are there certain allies who now don't care about the lannisters anymore? Is it just a power play?

first 2 questions seem a bit 'unpractical' to me for a calculated mother****er. Maybe a someone who has a good memory of the ins and outs of politics and different houses can speculate on the last question i think in answers on that question you can find the truth about LF being behind it or not, i am pretty sure he is. Basically nobody else makes sense to me since Sansa seem to play an important role in this all and everyone she is important too we know that they arent playing this game(the rest of the starks).. Only LF we havent been following!

Also why i initially and intuitively liked the theory of little finger was the fact how the show is made and the original poster of the LF theory said something along the lines of "we didn't see LF in a while" and i always expected a epic comeback from him since the last time we heard from him and we learned he is going to be dangerous and will also be fighting over the throne, his message instantly made sense to me, but couldn't tell why.

how does killing joffrey get LF access to sansa? he didn't kill tyrion (her HUSBAND) and there's no way he could have planned that tyrion would be implicated the way he was.

if he did just frame her + kidnap her, he can't very well "rescue" her and use her to raise an army against the lannisters, because they are still his source of power and legitimacy, and roose bolton and/or the ironborn will come snuff his ass before he can round up any muscle.

i'm not saying LF has to be completely ruled out here, but a theory based on him wanting sansa as the key to the north is bunk, because he doesn't have the means to make use of her yet. he could be involved as a collaborator but even that is a little thin.

Bode-Ist,

He is taking multiple bites over the course of a minute but couldn't swollow that pie and he uses the wine to swollow the pie, he even says right before coughing "Ah these are washing down".

Pie = poisened

this is what i posted last time on this:

IMO it was the pie that killed him. I dont see anybody eating pie, only the plates that were served around. Joffrey also took a sip of the wine before he started eating.. After he eats the pie and gives his plate to margery he starts drinking the wine and says quickly "oh good, these washing down"referencing to the pie obv. and starts coughing. Tywin wanted to start with the pie also but as soon as he noticed Joffrey starts coughing he stops.

In your opinion, is it common to take multiple bites of something before you've swallowed the first bite?

reaction in red

small bites, being rushed up and being hungry and eating a DRY pie?

hell yeah. But i am not the guy with perfect table manners.

so you think LF can just sneak sansa up to harrenhal and then start traipsing around the north rounding up an army without anyone noticing? she instantly becomes the most wanted fugitive in westeros and he is going to take her to a heavily militarized area with no muscle of his own and somehow end up with an army to show for it? your whole theory is basically that LF is sneaky, you don't know anything about the politics, the other houses involved, and you want other people to fill it in for you.

we are all dumber for having heard that. i award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

I dont know where they are going or whhat is going to happen. Who says if they meet up they are going to harrenhal, maybe they are going to that crazy bitch lysa or something IDK men. I know just as much as you, i am just pointing out reasons why LF makes the most sense to me. I dont need your points.

You are also pretty funny, i never said anything about harrenhal and you are making all these things up about how he is going to sneak with her to harrenhal and bla bla haha. and i am the dumb one haha love this bs internet forums, why am i even participating.

just stay away, i am asking for someone to speculate with me on these questions i have. Dont be ignorant.

I mean isn't it pretty obvious that Sansa is key in all of this?

Gots to be LF, he only needs and wants her. Everybody is focussing on who killed Joffrey but the question that need to be asked who wants and needs Sansa?

This is in fact what happens, he also takes a drink from the same goblet before he cuts the pie. The first bite of pie causes him to make a face and he does describe it as dry as he takes a few bites. We're talkin' bout the pie for a King on his wedding day. It's dry because that **** is poisoned yo.

can we start a GoT Kiddie Game thread for people like this? seriously

Would be pretty surprised if Tyrion/Daenerys/Arya aren't the most popular characters. Joffrey being the favorite in the US seems impossible.

Has anyone had pigeon pie ITT? Need a confirmation on whether it is ordinarily dry.

The only surprise is Joffrey not being the favorite in more countries.

lolWorld.

What have we learned about raising armies?

Hint: there's a character on another continent with a bigger name than Stark.

It takes time, a lot of time. Littlefinger has no time to raise an army and meet Tywin in the battlefield. The North armies loyal to Stark have been crushed and it would take a while to get them back in the fold. They don't just go "oh Sansa, yea we'll be right there LF." Anyways, I haven't ruled out LFer, just that in order for him to be involved there has to be a very specific plan of attack and he needs to have allies with deep pockets such as the Iron Bank. And he needs players in KLing ready for swift acts against other targets. You'll handwave this away by saying "they wouldn't figure it out" except lol @ that.

Yeah obviously

You can rule him out as the main player. You can't rule him out as a conspirator or someone "in the know."

Dany was starting from the bottom tho. LF has been subtly maneuvering his way since before she was Kal Drogo's throw pillow.

Whoever advanced the LF assassinates Joffrey as a way to get Sansa up north raising an army needs to rethink their tv watching strategy.

Lol, exactly as I figured. You assume there is no contingency plan. They will just never figure out he's involved because he's smart. Meanwhile the Lannister's employ plenty of smart players and who have spies everywhere. This is the Littlefinger is Frank Underwood theorem and that the show has abandoned the way political actors act all of a sudden.

imdb has Tyrion/Daenerys/Arya as top 3

http://www.imdb.com/poll/3IN8hqimhJY/results?ref_=po_sr

Theon underrated imo

That's the 3rd bad at watching tv guy ITT. OOTV's reputation precedes it.

Littlefinger is one of the few characters on the show brazen and smart enough to call the kill joffrey at the royal wedding reception shot. The show has made it clear that he's totally in love with Sansa--his "silver medal" after losing Catlynn--and few other things could endear him more to her than killing Joff. And, despite what the Tommen will step right in as Marg's new bride contingent thinks (btw, how are they so sure about this?), this murder committed in this way creates an environment in which Littlefinger thrives better than any other character in Westoros. I would be surprised if the Lannisters and Tyrells continue as if nothing happened. My guess is there will be a period of power vacuum, i.e., CHAOS.

Is he likely involved? Probably not. Is it plausible? No less so than Olenna or Marg.

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If we had been watching a show where major players have behaved in utterly implausible fashion then some of these theories could work. GoT's is not one of these shows; it actually respects the intelligence of both the characters and the audience.

That's right. AMERICA knows what's up. Joff GOAT.

But having the north he does build him an army, which translates to power. Who says he is going to meet up with boss Tywin in the battlefield? haha that seem outrageous to me to obviously. But doesn't it seem outrageous to you that this little guy all by himself also wants to fight for the throne?

Why start a Battlefield war if you have other ways of doing damage? I dont know if his plan is to start a battlefield war. An army is just necessary, just like territory. The north have been always pretty important.. If the assumption is true that LF did it then it also shows that he doesnt need to be a on a battlefield to do some damage, he poisoned the king at his own wedding for christ sake.

There are more ways to rome. You guys make all these weird connections when i say something. I say he need an army for power, you translate that he is going to meet Tywin in the Battlefield!
I say littlefinger wants sansa, harm rey translates that he is going to take sansa to harrenhal.

WTF?