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04-15-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Speaking of the LoL, why are they all still in Dragonstone? At the end of season 3, Lady Melissandre said how important it was to go fight the war against the walkers in the north. Now they're just sitting around and burning people without doing anything about it? Makes no sense.
Yes definitely at Dragonstone. I don't understand the end of s3 either... shouldn't Stannis be getting on that? lol
04-15-2014 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChamp11
Yeah it doesn't weaken KL defenses but wouldn't he feel a greater sense of urgency since the throne is kind of up for grabs? Maybe he's more likely to get some more people on his side now too. Idk.
Why do u think the throne is up for grabs?
04-15-2014 , 06:06 PM
The look on Bolton 's face when reek was given the blade was priceless. Are we sure the guy who cut Jamie's hand off is his son?
04-15-2014 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAdvantage
The look on Bolton 's face when reek was given the blade was priceless. Are we sure the guy who cut Jamie's hand off is his son?
I don't think Locke is his son. I don't remember any mention of that.

Ramsey Snow (Theon Torturer) is his bastard.....

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04-15-2014 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
The fool has to be in on it. So does anyone else who passes the gem along. Sansa has to wear the necklace that day. Sansa has to keep it on long enough for someone to see the missing gem. Sansa can't discover the poisoned gems ahead of time, or the missing gem that day. Etc. etc.

EDIT: Plus, Sansa only had opportunity when Joffrey randomly kicked the cup to her. The Tyrells didn't know that was going to happen. Even at that, Joffrey didn't die after drinking from the cup after Sansa had it. It was only after the Pie or the 2nd time he drank that he was poisoned.
Sorry, this post just shows you haven't been following the discussion.

The fool is the only one who has to be in on it and he made sure she was going to wear it on the wedding. Olenna takes the gem from Sansas necklace and passes it Marg who puts it in the goblet. According to the theory, the wine wasn't poisoned the first time Joffrey drank it. No one needs to see that there's a gem missing if the gem doesn't fully dissolve and even if it does, they can find the necklace in Sansa's possession later.

There is a risk involved but there's also a risk doing it without framing anyone.
04-15-2014 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
Not unnecessary at all. If Sansa gets caught fleeing then she will be caught with the poison. Sansa has clear motive to want him dead so finding her with the poison on her necklace would stop the investigation there.

I can't believe people are so absolute with their statements. Someone itt said the ppl who think LF did it are bad at watching tv? Wat does that even mean? Vix said if it's Olenna the show will have jumped the shark..lol. It could be anyone (one of those two working with the fool are the front runners imo) and I'd bet whoever it is they will have a perfectly fine explanation for it.
Bro,

There were people saying it's definitely little finger. That's either horrible tv watching or they are spoiling because there's literally not one clue that points to him.

It's as likely to be benjen stark or sallador san as it is little finger based on actual evidence/clues.
04-15-2014 , 06:47 PM
Here's my plan: all that needs to happen is we hope Sansa wears the necklace to the wedding. Then we need to hope I have a chance to grab a jewel off said necklace. Then we need to hope Sansa gets her hands on Joffrey's goblet somehow. Quite simple really. Oh and did I mention it must happen 100% before they have the chance to consummate the wedding...we can't leave anything to chance on this point.
04-15-2014 , 06:58 PM


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04-15-2014 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by roy_miami
Here's my plan: all that needs to happen is we hope Sansa wears the necklace to the wedding. Then we need to hope I have a chance to grab a jewel off said necklace. Then we need to hope Sansa gets her hands on Joffrey's goblet somehow. Quite simple really. Oh and did I mention it must happen 100% before they have the chance to consummate the wedding...we can't leave anything to chance on this point.
Only the first two need to happen. And the second is pretty easy to do given that you know where Sansa is sitting and will be right by her.

Sansa getting the cup was just good fortune (assuming the plan is to frame her). She could just have easily been framed without touching the cup (I doubt anyone is paying that close attention to her and the location of Joffrey's cup at all times).

Not sure why the consumation of the wedding is relevant to the plot.
04-15-2014 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
The fool has to be in on it. So does anyone else who passes the gem along. Sansa has to wear the necklace that day. Sansa has to keep it on long enough for someone to see the missing gem. Sansa can't discover the poisoned gems ahead of time, or the missing gem that day. Etc. etc.

EDIT: Plus, Sansa only had opportunity when Joffrey randomly kicked the cup to her. The Tyrells didn't know that was going to happen. Even at that, Joffrey didn't die after drinking from the cup after Sansa had it. It was only after the Pie or the 2nd time he drank that he was poisoned.
All Sansa has to do is be tricked into wearing the necklace. There is pretty much no way she would discover that it contains poison ahead of time - its not like people suck on their jewels. Similarly, there is no way she would notice the missing jewel - try to see if you can see your on your neck where the jewel was located, its impossible without a mirror.
04-15-2014 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyA

Not sure why the consumation of the wedding is relevant to the plot.
I guess it doesn't if somebody is killing Joff just to kill him. My theory is the timing of the assassination is to keep the families from officially joining. Still not sure why Oleena would go through all the time and effort (and considerable cash) of the wedding just to sabotage it right at the very end.
04-15-2014 , 07:14 PM
Just give her a necklace with 5 jewels instead of 6. And keep the 6th one for poisoning, thus eliminating the need for any subtle jewel removal in front of hundreds of wedding guests!
04-15-2014 , 07:27 PM
If you watch the scene where the fool gives Sansa the necklace, he doesn't mention wearing it at the wedding. Seems like a huge hole in the plan to assume she would definitely be wearing it.
04-15-2014 , 07:31 PM
now I'm wondering if ramsey snow and Jon Snow are brothers?
04-15-2014 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by darthwager
now I'm wondering if ramsey snow and Jon Snow are brothers?
No. All bastards in the North have "Snow" as their surname to indicate they are highborn, but illegitimate. "Sand" is the equivalent surname in Dorne, for instance.
04-15-2014 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by darthwager
now I'm wondering if ramsey snow and Jon Snow are brothers?
They are and have 10,000 other brothers
04-15-2014 , 07:34 PM
Ok sorry for noobishness
04-15-2014 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

It's as likely to be benjen stark or sallador san as it is little finger based on actual evidence/clues.

lol cmon now
04-15-2014 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Bro,

There were people saying it's definitely little finger. That's either horrible tv watching or they are spoiling because there's literally not one clue that points to him.

It's as likely to be benjen stark or sallador san as it is little finger based on actual evidence/clues.
Maybe it's all the air time he's getting this season lol
I would lay $$ on Stannis'witch bitch before LF
04-15-2014 , 08:21 PM
Why does everyone think the necklace is poison..?
04-15-2014 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Royale
Sorry, this post just shows you haven't been following the discussion.

The fool is the only one who has to be in on it and he made sure she was going to wear it on the wedding. Olenna takes the gem from Sansas necklace and passes it Marg who puts it in the goblet. According to the theory, the wine wasn't poisoned the first time Joffrey drank it. No one needs to see that there's a gem missing if the gem doesn't fully dissolve and even if it does, they can find the necklace in Sansa's possession later.

There is a risk involved but there's also a risk doing it without framing anyone.
Sorry if I'm missing something, but I've been following the thread and I've seen the episode 4 times already (and the poisoning part 8 times).

How sloppy do you think the Tyrells are? Even if you ONLY count on the fool being in on it and Sansa wearing the necklace, your plan could easily disintegrate. What if the fool tells someone else about this? What if Sansa didn't wear the necklace?

Lastly, what was all that business in episode 1 about the necklace contest Olenna was hosting? I mean, she asks around for the best necklace in the land in order to award the winner the 2nd best necklace in her possession. WTF is that all about, and does it tie into this poisoning in any way?
04-15-2014 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Why does everyone think the necklace is poison..?
Because Olenna touched it, and it looked like she grabbed a gem from it off of Sansa's neck.
04-15-2014 , 08:29 PM
I also said several times that it looks like Marg put something in Joffrey's cup with her left hand when Joff passed it to her.
04-15-2014 , 08:41 PM
Sorry but all this poisoned necklace plan just seems overly complicated. Couldn't Olenna just hide it somewhere on her person. I we really believing that EVERY wedding guest was stripped searched??

This whole plan seems waaaaaay overly complicated and coincidental.
04-15-2014 , 08:44 PM
Ya, and maybe I'm overestimating the fool, but getting him involved in a plan to frame the one person in his life that's been kind to him seems weird.

      
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