I've got it at a 0% chance that it was Sansa. Her idea of revenge is stuffing sheep **** in someone's bed, not murder. She cries and refuses to eat when her family dies, she doesn't swear vengeance each night as she falls asleep

It appears as though it's gaining steam, though

He def. had a weird look on his face after first tasting the pie but I didn't notice any real discomfort for him until he had more wine, after the cup was brought back into the shot.

Very highly doubt it's Sansa, she's too nice, too simple minded and "the worst liar in King's Landing". No way she would have the balls to do it. Also, it's not proof but it increases odds of her innocence, after Joff gets the cup back from her/Tyrion he takes a sip and nothing happens. Then the cup is taken out of sight while he eats pie, then brought back in after the dry pie.

Right. So, either Sansa put poison in and it took a really really long time to take effect (longshot). Or someone dropped poison in the cup once it was out of sight (unlikely, risk factor high for being seen). Or it was the pie (likeliest, imo).

I don't even care who did it I'm just glad he's dead.

Sansa did say 'we have a new queen' after the wedding kiss. After watching the feast scene a few times, it does seem the grandmother grabs something from Sansa's necklace, she has a somewhat nervous sigh when Tyrion grabs the cup and she is watching Joffrey very closely when he is drinking. Her being the only one saying 'help the poor boy, idiots help your king' makes me think even more she did it.

qft

The actor that is playing Daario should have taken notes from the actor that is playing Oberan. It's a total 180 as far as doing a good job.

The poison went from choking to death in something like 30 seconds, doesn't seem like it would be a minute or two until first symptoms start followed by a rapid death. Either first symptoms are slow and death is slower, or symptoms kick in fast followed by a swift death I would think

First of all

Nailed it.

Second of all, holy **** this episode

So, #teamOlenna let me get this right:

The Tyrells spend a small fortune on the wedding, we have a scene where Olenna demands a Queen's necklace for the wedding, and the Tyrells union with the Lannisters is incredibly important to them.

So they plot to kill Joff leaving them out a ton of money and the alliance they spent it for.

Story checks out.

*"We spent too much $ to have done it"

**"Hey remember how we saved you guys from Stannis and our rewards was Marg is the new queen? We still need that new queen part."

Maggie obviously

she thinks there is power in a kings blood, but my spider sense went off last season when she talked about how she slaughtered a great number of lambs (and they never saw it coming). its def possible, she's evil, but its a low likelihood event.

Yeah, this was what I was talking about when I asked if pre-series stuff was allowed itt.

There are so many cleaner/cheaper ways to do it. Olenna is constantly talking about money.

I don't see Marg's queen claim being very strong now.

What happens with Cersei and the Tyrell pillow biter? Olenna wanted that as well and it's jeopardized now.

I know some people are tired of Stannis' arc, but I really like the religious dynamic in his camp. You have the priestess introducing a radical new religion, the ruler who seems at best a reluctant convert, his fanatical wife, skeptic daughter and right hand man... It's not even the main arc of the show, but the nuance and complexity is greater than most other shows in their entirety.

Wine comes from a carafa on the table in front of Cersei and Tywin. So it seems to me like someone didn't even want to poison Joffrey. Tyrrels would have a lot to gain if Cersei or Tywin dies.

I like this

as always, the best stuff always happens in kings landing

I like this, but I still think it's the pie. I mean, are we to assume that neither Tywin nor Cersei drank any wine up to this point? Also we have the shot of Tywin about to eat his first bite, then dropping his fork. If nothing else, I think that cements it as being the pie.

i'm not sure who poisoned Joffery, or whether it was the pie or wine. but FFS, can we please stop with the dead birds inside the pie being from poison? i mean, Joffery swung a Valyrian steel sword into the heart of the pie containing a bunch of birds. Do you not think he's going to hit 1 or 2?

Yup. I consistently find this arc to be the least compelling component in each episode it's included in, but it's still staged and executed at a high enough level as to keep me completely engrossed. Really enjoyed Melisandre talking to the princess last night.

Problem with putting the poison into cake is that you have absolutely no idea who are you going to kill, and after the first person dies nobody else is touching the cake. Even if it was done by someone li LF who isnt at the wedding, you just kill 1 random person and gain nothing. It just doesnt seem to me like the way things are done in GOT.

did find it interesting how melisandre basically said there is a good/evil dynamic w/ the LoL religion

does make you wonder if she serves who she claims to serve

Welp.... It's obvious from these two pictures....

I'm sure she does serve the LoL as does that BwB guy who's been resurrected 6 times (forget his name). But, who is to say Light=good and Dark=bad? The smoke baby doesn't seem too angelic to me.

Yeah, because there's such a high % chance that the king isn't gonna eat the first bite of his own cake on his wedding day.