Nothing you wrote makes any sense.
Also the Mad King didn't just wake up one day completely insane...it was a gradual process till he was fully insane.

Dany's happened in 5 minutes because she saw the Red Keep. Nothing she had done up to that point was outside the norm compared to any other ruler and she almost always leaned towards mercy. I mean Jon Snow executes a young boy for godsake. But its was deserved and made sense.

Same with all the deaths Dany ordered. The show constantly showed that Dany had a lot of compassion and kindness too - going above and beyond most characters in the show. She gave second chances to just about everyone in the show who had betrayed or meant harm against her at an earlier time.

The showrunners (because they seem oblivious) clearly state that Dany had no intention of going on a insane rampage. She won the battle with precise execution...was sitting there hearing the bells signalling surrender and that she had won...saw a friggin building and snapped and decided to mass murder everyone, level the entire city she now needs to rule, and even kill her own troops. It makes zero sense and is classic "show don't tell". No one could clearly state why Dany did it from watching the show as it didn't make sense for her character up to that point and it didn't make sense strategically given she had won. It is why even loyal fans of D&D and the show are like wtf is this ****?

If this was in script form the reader wouldn't understand why the **** Dany is doing what she is doing...D&D would have had to add copy explaining it in the description.

Eesh you could tell in all those interviews that the entire cast was pretty much "good lord what a **** ending..."

The level of hackery is breathtaking.

I would like to see a spin of show where the "heroes" are two normal but depressed/anxious Dothraki expenda bros trying to come to terms with the calamity of the charge of the dead.

Must be hard to deal with such an arse kicking in such a macho culture, at night, in a snowy waste far from home.

How do they deal with the PTSD? hug it out? Seems unlikely. Form the Dothraki Vets Support Group, again seems unlikely.

Show covers their adventures and inner struggles from the moment of the charge to the cathartic release of the victory and sacking of KL.

If you look at everything that is happening to Dany:
*2 of her dragons die
*Almost her whole army dies
*Various of her closest allies die
*Various of her closest allies are betraying her
*Her goal for years to sit on the throne is in danger because of people not liking her & one of her closest allies unexpectedly having a better claim to the throne

Combine that with:
*What she's done in the past
*Her family history
*The foreshadowing throughout the show
*Various key characters in the show turning against Dany

And I am not sure what people were expecting if it wasn't Dany turning bad in some way?
I agree the show took it very far, I think they wanted whatever Dany did to be "by far the worst thing" that has happened on the show given that this is the climax.

I'm fine with people thinking the show pushed it too far or people saying Dany her transformation could've used with a few additional scenes, but I can't help but thinking a lot people are mostly upset because they didn't want Dany to end up this way? Or am I totally wrong on that?

A better way to play out episodes 4/5:

Rhaegal takes a bolt through his wing, the Iron Fleet sinks a bunch of ships, heavy damage to both sides, but Euron gets away and takes Missandei captive. Everything else plays out the same, Missandei executed, etc.

Dany forced to wait for Rhaegal to heal. Varys actually accomplishes something with his messages to various lords. Prince of Dorne, Edmure and others show up with armies, meet with Dany and she gives them the "bend the knee" line. They sit out the fight.

Dany on Drogon and Rhaegal annihilate KL defenses. The bells ring, Dany flies to the Red Keep to accept the city's surrender. But a dying Euron shoots Rhaegal with a scorpion. "I'm the man who killed a dragon!"

Then Dany goes ballistic and burns down the city. Dornish and Tully forces meet Dothraki and Northmen in the streets and violence erupts.

That would have made two episodes much more believable and palatable and her genocidal rage have context.

Dont care who any character ends up as long as its done well and is interesting.

There might some limits, like would struggle to deal with Tyrion becoming a warrior on par with Bron etc, but in general naah nothing to do with her becoming the end boss.

Yea it was obvious she was under pressure from all the things you mention, but the actuall moment of snap yep going to act in a way completely contrarian to all my previous actions ala gratuitous killing of pawns was still handled in a cack handed way.

Though everyone has suffered from that cack hand, because there is just not enough time to develop anything in a satisfying way.

Yes, on paper the story works and it makes sense. It's the execution of this descent into madness and sudden genocidal lunacy that's the problem.

I almost wonder if this dismal ending for the TV show might give GRM some extra motivation to finish the books or possibly hand it off before his death.

Also everyone on the planet besides idiots knew that they were setting up Dany to likely go mad with power. No one is complaining about that. They are complaining about how poorly D&D botched the execution. Primarily due to hubris + neglect in forcing a reduced season 7 and 8 to end things

How do supporters of the show explain the scorpion nerf?

I heard on a podcast that GRRM has the next two books finished but he made an agreement not to release them until the show was over.

Nobody here had any emotional investment in Dany and Amelia Clark is the worst actor on the show.

Not really defending it but it is easier when it's unexpected.

all the seasons where she takes pleasure out of roasting people with dragons and says she will continue to do so, yeah

youre seriously making an authority appeal to tyrion who hasn't judged anything correctly in five years and the guy who just wanted a piece of ass?

Again,so much pleasure she locks up her dragons over one casualty?

She does burn some obvious bad guys, slavers etc. I dont recall her lauging manicaly or whatever when she did it.

Varys wanted a piece of ass?????

You are the one handwaving away tons and tons of on screen exegesis, so as to arrive at a one dimensional view, not anyone else.

thought you meant the other guy who died. varys realized she was going to be a terrible ruler and betrayed her. its almost like she started out good then developed into where she ended up and he was perceptive of that.

yes, she sometimes did good things. she also did psychotic things and now has realized that the people prefer jon to rule instead of her (and he has the claim), her advisors and jon all actively betrayed her, missandrei and dragon #2 died, she has madness in her blood, and she completely snapped.

this also does not change that most parts of the show the past two seasons have been stupid and indefensible

Varys has done a volt face over the last few episodes (so not worth **** in writing terms) but spent several of the seasons you asked if I have watched as a full on massive Dany fan, again precisely because she was the anti cersie.

FWIW Varys turn is handled about as ****ily as Danys.

Good writing is a lot harder than bad writing. If the explanation for any story development is between 'elaborate, deliberate, farsighted plotting' and 'lazy/incompetent writing that doesn't make sense', the latter is far more likely. Occam's Razor should be applied more in these sort of discussions. If you're having to come up with long-winded rationales to justify the narrative, that indicates something's gone wrong with the story.

A reasonable take from casual watchers of the show uninterested in the deeper story.
From show runners specifically chosen because of their understanding of the books, that story line is an insult.

Imagine the Lord of the Rings trilogy ending with a giant eagle picking up gollum after he steals the ring and dropping both in Mt Doom. Nonsensical.

GRRM said in his blog that this isn't true.

It's true that the butchering of Jamie's character was much worse than Dany.

It's a complete betrayal of everything we've experienced with Jamie since S1 and even partially contradictory to pre show Jamie.

Just complete and utter terrible writing.

Speaking of **** writing and how stupid Dumb and Dumber are:

In Inside The Episode after E3 Benoiff says....'and that's the end of the Dothrhaki' referencing the terrible non-sensical opening charge into the NK armies.

Very. Next. Episode. How many Dothrhaki are left....'half'.

These dudes are bozos and hack writers.

Jaime and Cersei are the best two characters in the show and their end was pretty lame.

There have been tons of examples of Jaime deciding that his honor was more important to him than the interests of his family. It's what caused the rift between him and Tywin. He wanted his pages in the book of the Kingsguard to be filled with heroic deeds.

In the previews for the final ep it appears the Unsullied have re-spawn powers as their numbers look ****ing massive.

The line from Jaime "I never cared for the people of Kings Landing" is the writers just not understanding their character.

Tyrion and Jaime STILL trying to save Cersei makes no sense in light of the fact that she just sent Bronn to kill them. It would be OK if they didn't include that Bronn storyline -- and how is that going to pay off exactly?

It's obvious that GRRM's ending is in here but unfortunately has been utterly butchered by hacks.

To the morons defending, once again no one cares that Dany turns heel, or is surprised by it, it's the most predictable thing ever. Why are you defending it in those two ways? It's the journey. The execution is beyond abysmal. It's utterly tragic how they have butchered it.