Sansa is playing every angle possible.

Can Bran warg into the Mountain like he did with Hodor?

Season 8 Episode 4 was the worst episode in the history of GoT and any true fan of the series should feel insulted.

Any scene with Brienne or Tormund in, together or not, were the only saving graces.

Nothing. I said it before. He is the worst character in any movie, tv show, novel or comic book ever written.

Tyrion has to be the WOAT hand. Hey let's go north of the wall and capture a wight and bring it to Cersei and trust in her good will to join us in the fight for the fate of the world.

Who cares if we lose a dragon or two and a few important allies along the way?

And hey let's march our 200 Unsullied within crossbow range of the Red Keep and try to talk Cersei into surrendering.

Why didn't the red priestess in Volantis tell Dany that Varys would betray her? She knew.

I agree last 2 seasons have been mediocre compared to earlier seasons (S8>S7 so far though imo), but these types of complaints are just stupid af.

*They clearly showed that the scorpions can turn around if necessary, they are not stuck in 1 direction.

*Jaime left because his sister tried to kill him & he got the news from Sansa that they might lose the battle. Not sure why this does not fit with Jaime's character.

*They clearly established that Jon is loyal to Dany, and I don't think Dany would be very receptive to Arya saying "jus w8 here imma kill Cersei for you". Arya is also not the type to tell everyone she's leaving ot kill Cersei.




Meh, seems reasonable for Cersei to not want to have the reputation that she'll kill her own family in a negotiated talk. Cersei won the meeting anyway by being able to kill Missandei unpunished.


I agree it looked weird, but I don't think Cersei wins a lot by killing Dany right there. She is still facing the same problems if Dany is dead. And she loses any ability to arrange a peaceful meeting in the future.

The show is making it very obvious that Dany is becoming paranoid & is acting emotional and impulsive. That's kind of the point.

There's a shot at the end where the entire space between Tyrion & Dany is in clear view, and Quburn was nowhere to be seen. Not sure where the **** he went. We're probably meant to believe he returned inside offscreen.

Evere scene with Ghost has looked ridiculously terrible. Also, was confused by the fire looking fine last episode and the fire from this episode looking like it was rendered in a N64-era engine.

The show has been making it pretty obvious that Sansa has a very strong idea about her vision for the future, and that there isn't much she's not willing to do. I'll bet she does even crazier stuff next 2 episodes!

This tilted me as well, the show sent very mixed signals this episode. We never see a big army on screen, but during strategic discussion it seemed like they still have huge armies left? Tbh I still don't know what army is left after having seen the full episode.

I agree it looks like Varys will try & get Sansa on the throne & get Jon to take Sansa's place. Could be totally wrong.

Wasn't this just D&D trying to fill up screentime during a boring circle-jerk documentary? The Iron Fleet caming up during the strategic preparation for the battle.

Didn't they say during the episode that incest king & queen would never bring peace?

Jon going crazy & killing a bunch of people including Dany, and the series ending with a final scene showing Jon lving in isolation being a lumberjack would be a great hommage to the worst ending ever .

I lol'd


Sorry if this post was rambly, this show has dropped in quality a ton but tbh the criticism quality has also dropped a ton .
Also people should realize by now that even if a show maintains its quality, it's quite difficult to make an 8-season show end in a way that satisfies everyone or even a majority.

He did have that scene where he flew briefly.

Rational how your points make sense....and I'll show within 4 sentences they're dumb

Bronn's gonna keep negotiating with his crossbow until he has the iron throne.

I thought I said it before but if not the idea that Jon can't marry Dany because incest is a terrible reason not to do it. It's family tradition and the best way to unite the North and South.

This is a ridiculous justification. She’s had dragons for years. Any impulsiveness now isn’t a good reason for her leaving Euron’s fleet alone or thinking of very basic tactics with them.

And we’ve seen a bunch of military strategy meetings. And not once has anyone talked about how to use the dragons effectively or talk her into a sane military strategy. If anything it’s been the opposite. And there’s no reasonable explanation for this except to avoid awkward plot issues.

Didn't he discover Jon's real identity?

I know this isnt bookreaders thread and i need to gtfo but the book pretty much in depthly shows how almost everyone is an incompetent ruler, especially cersei and snow before you know what, also we all get hints of danaaerys in AFFC and ADWD, show make cersei look like shes playing 4d chess for the most part imo

i dont mind whats happening on the show, 2 eps left, let get it, looking forward to it

looooooooooool.

You cant see how it might be problematic for a giant ****ing crossbow on the fore deck to turn 360 and fire towards the aft of a sailing boat.

Seeing its turned to **** going to come out with a reality I would not expect to see even if the show was still good.

It would be really hard to keep sailing boats still in that channel between two islands like that, as the tide would run through that channel like an absolute mofo. You would have to anchor and like the wind would have to be absolutely crazy perfect.

To then weigh anchor and move off in full sail in the exact direction you wanted to go in such a formation would be maritime skills of gangor.

Also as regards the crossbows, crazy rate of fire.

Like reloading the big arrow would take some time, but ratcheting the torsion cable after each shot would take several men at least 3-4 minutes and that seems generous.

What reputation does she have left? She murdered the entire royal court (other than herself and Tommen) as well as the entire church leadership and destroyed one of the most sacred places in Westeros.

Killing Dany, Tyrion, etc. during a negotiated talk is not going to damage her rep.

They've also seemed to miniaturize them from Season 7. Then it took Bronn about 30 seconds to reload, but now we see them being almost rapid fired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZmMp2eUOW4

The dragon lords ruled unchallenged for centuries. Qyburn too OP.

It's one thing to be an incompetent ruler and be bad at tactics, it's a whole other deal when everyone is making decisions like they were hit in the head with a ball peen hammer. I think they just fired all the old writers and put a bunch of college students in there from the English Lit department.

To which the answer is "it's no big deal", by the way. Even in show canon, Tywin Lannister married his cousin Joanna. In book canon, Ned Stark's parents were first cousins once removed. Only immediate family (parent/child or siblings) is considered incestuous in Westeros.

Euron too OP as well


seasons 1-6: the seas basically don't exist
seasons 7-8: Euron rules the world basically

Also the "aunt marriage is icky" thing is part of a general tilt the show has had towards viewing things through the lens of modern morality and norms. One example is Sansa saying something to Tyrion about how their marriage wouldn't have "worked out". Sorry, what the hell do you mean "worked out"? Marriages in Westeros are to cement political alliances. You don't get married while drunk in Vegas and then file for divorce a week later citing irreconcilable differences over whether Dany is a ***** or not.

Greyworm's over the top mean mugging was pretty hilarious. The show really tried to force their relationship down out throats. Worm is definitely killing Melisandre's executioner (the Mountain?) with his final breathes.

Regarding Military tactics:

I'm ok with the stupidity of Jon and Dany. They were never shown to be war strategists like Tywin or Stannis. Dany luckboxed dragons and Jon should be dead a bunch of times already so it's not like they were written as military genius's. It's been disappointing that Tyrion has been a knucklehead though.


Jamie "Knight Layer" Lannister:

Brienne and Jamie hooking up was awful. Their arc should of been over when Jamie knighted her. It seemed like their relationship was about honor and loyalty, not sexual. We missed a good opportunity for plot development with the drinking convo between Jamie and Tyrion but instead we got some low brow jokes. Disappointing.

The military stuff is unacceptable any way you look at it. Everyone there is experienced in warfare, the moves we have seen this season is just braindead nonsense any way you slice it. Great tactics if you wanna commit suicide tho.