Nothing you have posted above in anyway stops it being DEM.

The plot telling you she is meant to do it, or is set up to do it, in no way stops it being DEM.

What makes it DEM is the fact that she is not shown using her powers or abilities or whatever to surmount the massive difficulties to get close to the NK and kill him. There is an absolute total vacuum of content here.

Which is why fan bois like you are coming up with so many different fill in the gaps to explain such.

Instead she appears like a divine power, from nowhere and kills the NK, you cant have more clear cut divine from a machine than this. Some kind of hoist was used to make that scene happen. Its literal DEM.

Again, its fine to say you are ok with the DEM, but to claim its not DEM is simply calling black white.

As much as there are plenty of little moments I could nitpick about the episode, I just found the end very underwhelming, and didn't really feel like a fitting end to what has been built up for so long.

Can't help but feel these last three episodes are going to be pretty anticlimactic. There's not really a scenario I can envisage that really excites me personally.

One thing that has really been griping me is the constant throwback to previous lines of dialogue. I get why they're doing it, but it feels a bit cheap and really unnatural. Plus the contrast between that sort of thing really been shoved in your face and then having the viewer fill in some of the weird blanks between scenes/events is kind of jarring to me

There is no two gods here. R'llor is presented as a face of death in the house of black and white.

The many faced god has an aspect in all religions including monotheistic religions like the lord of light, and non-theistic religions like the old gods of the north.

Showrunners should have sacrificed dramatic tension to SHOW US EXACTLY HOW ARYA DOES THAT ZOMG to satisfy the unsilent stupidity of the internet.

Yea because there is never any dramatic tension in an assassination.

JFC are you even thinking for one second about what garbage you are typing?

We all wish your stupidity was silent.

them not showing us literally everything isn't Deus ex machina


Night King not seemingly unsolvable, it was absolutely assumed that he could be killed
they weren't exactly sure how, but they tried about everything they could, eventually finding something that worked

stabbing him in the heart with black dragonglass created him, stabbing him in the heart with valyrian steel kills him, ok whatever, fine

that one of the most highly-skilled assassins in the world went FULL YOLO and killed him not especially unexpected or contrived

literally her arc for 7 seasons was very well-rounded assassin training from many of the best teachers in the world, many specific skills shown on-screen were put to use

and it seemed that a surprise attack of sorts is exactly what was needed to defeat this particular enemy
so uh, who better really?

situation was completely solvable: kill the Night King

was a little surprising bc everyone assumed it would be Jon, or Dany, or Bran, but this is totally fine, especially given how heavily implied it is that this was pre-destined from long ago (from both Bran & Mel)

the only part that fits a teeny tiny bit was that they didn't show where Arya went after getting hyped up by Mel

but enough time passed that it's fair to assume she deftly maneuvered from there to the attack point, given that this is her home and she knows the layout, and fair to grant the show the dramatic license to surprise us a little with his ending rather than 5 more minutes of pov following Arya around the castle & killing the NK
(ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE JUST HAD LIKE 5-10 MINUTES OF THAT EXACT THING)


this is like literally the opposite of Deus ex machina


conclusion: donks yelling about Deus ex machina don't really know what Deus ex machina is and are probably just mad that a girl was the hero here

Guys should we show how a super mystical assassin killing an ancient power?

Nah it would break tension?

This is an actual argument?

My god.

That is what drama is, people doing things, better not show it, breaks tension.

QFT.

I knew someone who play the girl card, lol, check my posting history on that kind of issue, massive whiff and miss.

Of course the NK can be killed. But there is a massive problem, he is surrounded by captains in a castle full of undead hordes, now we can nitpick over ****ing unsolvable, but the problem is fairly ****ing massive and hard to overcome.

Its easy though, just teleport in. Appearing like a diving power (via a hoist).

Congrats you put quite the work in to call black white. Probably the best effort so far, probably because ultimately you are not a fan bois of this episode.

Deus ex machina is they're all about to die and then the Night King gets hit by a comet or something and dies


Arya: "wtf was that"
Bran: "i dunno"
*high 5*

Arya nearly gets killed by zombies and has to be saved by burning sword man, but of course she can effortlessly move through the castle to the jump off point for her leap.

Nah.

And here we go.....if you don't like it...you're sexist.

Get a different playbook.

i mean, if you're down to "it is impossible that arya could successfully maneuver through her home to get to that point / that leap was too far for a fantasy show" then go off my dudes


you don't have to like it, but yikes

To be clear, we both agree with what happened.

We both agree Arya is capable of what happened.

What you disagree with is that instead of showing a tight shot of the WW and a medium shot of him reacting too late it should have been a wide shot showing her running. Which is all coolbro that you have notes to pass the director of the scene on how to present this, but it doesn't make it DEM.

Edit, rewatched it was the tight shot only. Still obvious what happened.

If it was possible they could have shown her doing it.

It would have been hard though because they already showed us her having her arse kicked by zombies.

Instead they had here lowered in like a powerful god on a hoist to solve the problem.

Im willing to compromise over just lazy writing, which is my beef with DEM anyway.

For the record I probably prefer a wide shot showing her come into scene pass all the WWs and attack, but I didn't need to see it.

I also think it likely they tried that shot and it didn't work as well, so whatever. I'll leave the directing choices to the career directors.

Which is like the set up for any book or story featuring an assassin...

Assassins kill people. They kill people other people have tried to kill, but can't. Arya is an assassin.

Try thinking really hard about this. It's hard, but try.

She ran past the white walkers. There is no grey area here. We know what she did and we know how she did it.

Im not 100% it was possible. Not sure. Lets debate how possible it was.

If I have reduced not DEM advocates to a nit pick over whether a problem is precisely impossible, then of course I have won this debate.

Which of course happens when you are not the one calling black white.

Which also show the assassination in great detail, indeed its the whole point of the story.

Think longer before posting.

Cool story bro.

I refer you back to the numerous versions offered as to how Arya achieved the assassination. Could not be more grey.

Also just running past the white walkers with none of them noticing or doing anything to stop her in anyway.

Which is completely inconsistent with her earlier experiences in the castle.

Yea no DEM here boys.

just like all the WW quickly protected the NK when Theon charged

oh wait

Foreshadowing does not mean it's not DEM. Watch Fargo S2. There's a ton of foreshadowing, but there's still a major DEM.

It also goes without saying that it would have been a million times better if the NK strangles Arya when catching her by the throat and all the signalling she was going to kill him was a complete fake out and something totally unexpected and cool happened after he killed her.

That would have been GO(a)T instead of Game of Sell Out.

This is the explanation. It's very simple. This is such a dumb argument.

Arya reaching the NK isn't just possible, it's so mundane that it wasn't worth showing given everything they've already shown and the dramatic tension that repeating it would sacrifice.