I thought Arya killed the giant instead of Mormont and was pissed that she was running around after hearing the giant crack her bones....i am rewatching now.

Only just got around to watching it because the version I tried to watch on Foxtel last night was unwatchable (insane amounts of artifacting in the dark scenes, i.e. everywhere).

First reaction on ep ending: That's IT? Seriously? 0 major deaths, 0 plot progression other than ending the WW plotline. I was increasingly certain through the ep that it was going to be the end of Arya, but nope.

Yeah. Pretty sure that bore no relation to what the book version will be.

Also a hearty lol at all the people on r/asoiaf who were expecting the show to do anything but the simplest possible thing.

I haven't re-watched that part, but I remember thinking the same thing for the first couple of seconds. It was a weird cut that went from Arya trying to keep from sliding off of a roof to Mormont dealing with that rampaging giant.

It was a little confusing with the darkness, the chaos, the editing, and two different female characters in the middle of a battle.

what is the night kings range for raising the dead? are we just supposed to assume its like a quarter mile or so?

Maybe, but I doubt it would stop a few grumpy old bastards on the internet complaining.

Seems to me like the death toll among named characters was possibly higher in this episode than any one besides the Season 6 finale. I counted 4 characters of major importance (Melisandre, Theon, Jorah, and Night King), and another 4 of medium importance (Edd, Beric, Lyanna Mormont, and Viserion) who died.

I have an old plasma - good for the darks supposedly, but dark scenes were still bad for me.

the only meaningful characters there are the Night King & the dragon

Hi wheatrich what's up?

I'm sad that I forgot to propose betting terms, I had them worked out. It was going to be one Stark/Targ/Lannister death = no action, 0 = I win, 2+ = you win. Would you have taken it?

How empty has the show become? Your votes for the most "meaningful characters" out of a lineup of deaths are the two who have had zero lines of dialogue for the entire run of the show.

I made the error of thinking this entire season wasn't complete trash. Very unlikely to me GRRM writes that scene with just that as carnage.

I would've taken over 0 for sure but probably not 0 vs 2+ at even. I can't think of any good reason not to kill bran there for one. Well at least someone probably dies when the fleet arrives at least, oh wait it's these f'ing writers maybe not.

I mean Winter is coming was started since the beginning of the show and nobody major outside the NK died as the conclusion of it ffs. The dragon was already dead.

You were right though, tip the cap to you sir.

Theon Greyjoy has to count as a major character.

Perhaps people have written him off as an obvious death for a while now?

It'll be totally different in the books. I have my doubts there will ever even be a large scale battle against the Others. If there is it certainly won't involve wiping out the threat by killing the Night Mothership.

GRRM doesn't kill characters for shock value though, he kills them to show that actions have consequences. Ned lost his head because he was naive. The Red Wedding happened because Robb failed to do his duty and marry a Frey as promised. There was no human drama to pay off in this battle because there was no human drama in the WW plotline. The Night King looks like a character but is a cardboard cutout.

Yeah, his death was too obvious. He's been obviously going to die for a season plus now and "Let's use Bran as bait for the Night King, Theon you go protect him!" was not exactly a subtle hint that he was dead.

He's also been a bit of a non-character since he became Reek. Not a lot of inner life. Just looks on the verge of tears all the time.

There's a theory that he was watching Endgame

Arya ran past the WWs and leapt at NK within like ten feet. I don't know how people are confused by that sequence.

It was a call back to the earlier god's wood scene with Jon and the first season cat chasing, and like everything in between.

That big ballista is featured quite prominently in the new opening credits this season (pointing at a dragon!), so I expect we'll see it put to use fairly soon.

However much posters want to try and ram home this point as obvious, the point is its objectively complete conjecture.

You dont know that happened in any way shape or form and cant do.

There is no escaping this reality for apoligist fan bois.

That said it would help if they could get there it was obviously this conjectures to at least match, so far we got: Dude, how can you not see that she obviously disguised herself as whitewalker, dude, how can not see that she obviously jumped off a rampart onto the NK, ooops I meant jumped off a rampart into the god wood then leaped on the NK, dude how can you not see she just ran past the WWs etc.

Conjectures made in isolation rarely match though.

She managed to run through the entire god's wood full of recently raised wights and iron born. Can't believe people are still trying to defend that scene. I have no problem with the DEM but just accept it for what it is.

I find it amazing that the same people complaining about dumb exposition now need a detailed account of how an elite assassin, who has demonstrated the use of stealth and deception numerous times, is able to kill someone.

Yea fools expecting more than horribly lazy DEM to resolve an 8 series long plot line.

Question for the "she was disguised as a white walker"-people:

Did she kill a white walker? Can't she only use faces of people she killed?

Why is she bothered to sneak around in the library if she can just disguise herself as a dead guy and stroll outta there?

I didn’t realize Arya was going to kill the NK but I think I missed the bit of dialogue about eye color. Maybe that’s when I ran to the kitchen to grab a soda idk, but I did miss that. I also missed that they just stopped updating us on her location/action. I’m just not that observant I guess, but I think it’s harder in sequences like that to notice the lack of something when they keep shifting your focus around so much. I think I would have gotten it had I caught the eye color dialogue but.

I’m not sure why the wight giant being killed with the eye stab is such a big deal - it’s not because he lost his eye, it’s because the stab got to his “brain”. We’ve seen wights die from what would otherwise be mortal wounds if they were alive. Same deal here. Plus it was the right type of weapon to put a wight down for good.

Theon's story has been so incredible. When Bran tells him he's a good man and thanks him I was almost moved to tears... That wasn't the only moment that happened last night, mind you.

At least Theon, a Stark, died at home.