And back in the day when you make a mistake like that you would be killed.

How did Arya get from the castle to where Bran was? Where did she jump at the night king from?

who all died?

I like how Jon continued to be a clown right up to the end. In fact most characters were true to themselves the whole episode.

I assume after her encounter with Melissandre that she assumed the form of one of the dead things (white walker, wight, whatever) she killed in the battle, which allowed her to blend in with the NK's posse.

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I always watch shows like this and movies in a dark room. I also had no issues with the lighting, maybe some of you need to adjust the picture settings on your TV?

Episode was pretty dumb/bad but I was expecting that, this show is not at its best doing huge battles

i think arya is supposed to be the crouching thing in the middle ^ just after the nk got got
i don't know where bran went, think he should be in front to her left (they just blurred him in post bc?)
anyway, they're right under the big tree it seems
seems like she jumped the way she's facing, so off of what? ya i dunno

there are so few establishing shots of anything i'm pretty sure they don't think this makes any sense either
(or have they already thrown something out there? is that big thing nearest to the main part of the city supposed to be a thing? i suppose you could argue she did a matrix jump from there)

probably just another one of those things that we're not supposed to think about

The walkers did attack in the middle of the night so it was a cool idea flavor wise but it really sucked for being able to watch.

But Sam used dragonglass to kill one earlier right? Either way, did they not know that would be a better attempt compared to fire? Why not have dg or vs tipped arrows and 50 archers waiting for the NK by the tree?

The shift from political machinations to more fantasy heavy theme has absolutely nothing to do with why the show sucks now compared to what it was. It is one very simple thing: the first 3 seasons (maybe 4?) the show set out rules and followed them. You did something dumb, you died. Actions had consequences for everyone, including main characters.

This creates tension because we know main characters don't have plot armour like they do in virtually every other show. This invests us in the plot and characters.

Now that is all out the window and has been since season 5. The rules don't matter, we know the main characters survive no matter what. There is no tension, no suspense, how could there be? There is no reason for me to give a crap about anything that happens.

Shows can operate that way, ignoring the rules, and still be good. Sitcoms obviously don't have consequences for their characters and that is ok because they aren't trying to create tension and drama. This show is and when it fails at that it is goddam awful.

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They can't make any more Valyrian steel, that's one of the reasons those weapons are so coveted and are usually kept in the same family hands for hundreds of years. There was the blacksmith in KL that melted down Neds sword and made two smaller swords from it but i think he was like the only guy in the world (or at least in Westeros) that was capable of working Valyrian steel

Nope. You misunderstood the show and the books.

We know that the producers chose Arya to win "the great war" three seasons ago, the books will probably differ here, but in no meaningful way. The prince that was promised doesnt need to be true, it can just be made up by a religion because Jesus parable.

Otherwise we can pretty safely assume we are about to get the ending that was always envisioned.

The Night King, whilst wholly a TV creation, is consistent with the books equivalent. He is not a character. He is a gun on a wall. A situation was created, it happened, now the interesting happens (from the view of the creator, if not the audience).

This isnt even something we need to speculate about:

We just had his ring goes into the volcano moment. We are about to get his scouring.

The show, nor book series, isnt a badly injured dragon and fifty surviving veterans from the great war against grumpkins and snarks faceroll the iron fleet, golden company and remaining lannister forces to win and bring happily ever after.

Pfft. You guys complaining about how 100s of wights attack people without harm don't remember how many 5 year olds you could take.

Why did the other walkers die when the NK did? They aren't risen from the dead.

Because, Tolkien ldo. smh

Just really curious... Are there really people itt who didn't realize Arya was going to kill NK after the scene with Melissandre?

Also really curious... Was Arya disguised as a walker? Right before Arya kills him there's this weird of a walker.

Yeah me.. i just never found the character of Arya believable (yes in this show with dragons and ww blahblah) and i didnt think the end of the NK would be so stupid

I was just so numb from watching 50 minutes of poorly-lit combat at that point that I honestly had my brain mostly turned off and wasn't really processing what were, in retrospect, some pretty obvious clues.

I think I also still operate with season 3 expectations that the most obvious **** isn't going to happen and some diabolical twist is on the way, rather than adjusting to the new normal. When NK caught Arya by the throat I actually thought he might kill her.

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LOL.

Having the plot suggest Arya will kill the NK does not stop it from being DEM, its the way she killed him via teleporting out of thin air on top of him.

They could have easily stopped the kill being DEM by showing the audience the method by which she was able to get so close for the kill, but they were too lazy to make that plausible, given that he was surrounded by white walkers, zombies and the gate in was guarded by a dragon. So they just went Arya kills the NK abra cadabra, absolute 100% DEM.

Its the same with the major charachters, they could have written in plausible reasons/methods/actions by which they survive the battle, but again they were just to lazy to work out how to make it plausible, so they had them implausibly somehow fighting off literally thousands of undead.

Its this laziness that is in STARK contrast to how the show was in the earlier seasons.

I thought this episode was great outside of:

1/ Dragons were only fun when they were interacting with the battle below. The scenes with the dragons fighting were a mess and impossible to follow.

2/ They did not do anything with the crypt or with Tyrion/Sansa. Had so much more potential to create a great scene there.

3/ There was a weird jump in the middle of the episode starting from the scene with Arya in the library. Right before this started, it was chaos & no more hope outside. Suddenly we switch to a game of hide & seek. This kind of made me jump out of the episode, I really did not understand what had just happened.

4/ Various parts were way too dark, ldo.

5/ They made way too much use of scenes where it felt like all hope was lost and character x was doomed, but somehow the characters survive their doom offscreen. This is fine to a few times, but I think they did this like 20 times.

6/ Not enough main characters died. I fear that all big characters will survive until at least the final episode now, which is lame. I think characters dying at the end has less of an impact since it's over, anyway.


What was really good:

1/ The music and cinematography in the not-too-dark parts was really amazing.

2/ The first 20 minutes were amazing, I was ****ing stressed out.

3/ The last 10 minutes were amazing as well.

4/ Arya defeating the NK was obviously great. Aside from what has already been said ITT, it's obvious that the NK was portrayed as undefeatable by anyone who comes at him in an obvious way. The dragons, Jon Snow or whoever never had a chance. It had to be someone who he did not expect & could surprise him. I think the moment was kind of ruined by not many big characters dying. If some more big characters had died, I think the situation would have felt more desperate, and it would've made more sense that NK thought he had won and that there was no threat anymore.

5/ The darkness did also create some amazing intense scenes (best one was the retreat & Melissandre lighting the fire imo). An enemy you can't see is not only cheaper, but also scarier.

6/ Haven't seen this said by anyone yet, but I really loved the moments the dragons were interacting with the battle. It was the first time we really witnessed how ****ing badass they are, just holding back the white walkers on their own or bringing the entire battle to a halt. Makes me wonder how they are going to make the battle vs Cersei exciting with both dragons surviving.

Library scene obvious to show their vulnerability/one dimensional view. TNK was honed in on Bran and caught off guard. He was basically unstoppable but he slipped.

Also I do not believe it's possible that someone didn't know blue eyes instantly meant she was going to kill TNK. And it made the DEM easier to accept.

It was obvious Arya was going off to kill the NK after the blues eye comment. I dont see the relevance of that at all to anything?

Also the mental state of random undeads is not the same as the NK and his actual white walker captains.

It was brought up like 4 posts ago. It made the DEM easier to accept and less of a HERO SAVES THE DAY moment.

One take on what happened at the end:
No one could kill the Night King, right? The Night King was wearing his usual body armor to protect his body from glass arrows and other weapons. He also had a heightened ability to sense of danger. I'm pretty sure Arya was standing behind him in disguise. She wore gloves and neckwear so that the Night King might never touch her skin. She purposely jumped up from the ground to get the Night King to raise up his shoulders. He reached up and grabbed her neck and her left hand. When he raised his arms against Arya he also raised up his torso armor and a weak spot became exposed thus allowing her to drop the the dagger into her right hand and stab him directly into his belly skin with Valyrian. Another perfectly plan assassination by No One.

With reach this long, you should consider boxing.