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and he never claimed to have defeated Ser Arthur Dayne either

i mean, to our knowledge the most he said was:

you might not have my name, but you have my blood

which i guess should have been a clue, but Jon is really ****ing dumb

Ugh, that felt like one of those old school clip episodes when the writers are on strike. Definite contender for worst GoT episode.

doesnt sound like it thats the whole point of the scene though... hes not bran... hes many lives and memories and sees some of the future and ****. Him being mad at Jaime would make no sense

ye my bad i thought last 2 eps were 120 minutes each but theyre 80

I dont know why the people would be willing to accept the incestuous relationship between Jon and Dany given the scandal of Cersi and Jamie. I would think this opens up a possible John and Sansa marriage to unite the realm.

I wonder if the nightking riding the dragon means he is also a Targereon. I dont remember all the lore about the nightking from the other seasons, is he suppose to be a crow who went north of the wall?

Haven’t the Targaryens been marrying their siblings for generations while ruling?

ya, the issue was obv Cersei's kids not being Robert's

I liked it but I ask very little from this show.

It does seem like they structured the season, or at the first 2 eps, for future streaming viewers. Combine 1 and 2 and make it 1 90 minute episode, it’d been awesome!

The Night King is thousands of years old. That's long before the Targaryens showed up in Westeros.


https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Night_King

Nah the Targs had special dispensation for sibling incest because they had the "blood of old Valyria" enabling them to be dragonlords. Jaime and Cersei would be put to death for it.

"Incest" in Westeros is parent-child or between siblings. Aunt's, cousins etc, it doesn't matter.

Think they're just gonna pretend Meera Reed doesn't exist for the duration of the series? Seems likely to me.

subtlety completely gone and everything feels so rushed and "in your face" since S7

Jon is dumb, but how the **** is that supposed to be a clue?


The whole lie was that he was Ned's bastard, and that sentence is entirely consistent with it. There's is no way that comment should cause him to question anything.

the point is his whole life would have been filled with instances like that, and i would doubt that ned ever explicitly lied to him about it

unless he did in the books??? idfk

Someone on r/asoiaf I think put it as simply as it can be put: it used to be that the plot was driven by things the characters decided to do, now what the characters decide to do is driven by the needs of the plot.

The story in the books is identical (and that "you might not have my name..." line is directly from the books). Ned is a POV character and we get to see his thoughts, so he drops more hints in there, but not to Jon. There's no reason for Jon to doubt the story, nobody else does, and given the amount of tension it causes with Catelyn, it's not surprising it wasn't a subject brought up too often. Ned also doesn't want Jon to know the truth, as it's too dangerous. While Ned is obviously uncomfortable with the dishonesty, the promise he made to his sister trumps everything else.

WHO

She went back to be with her family, so it seems likely we'll never see her again. I guess it's possible she and Howland both show up at some point, but given that people seem fine with Bran's word about Jon's lineage, I doubt there is any reason the show will introduce Howland this late.

Death predictions for next week? Brienne seems like a lock. Theon too. Tormund and Beric seem like they've outlived their usefulness. I'd think The Hound dies protecting Arya except that we probably need him still for FanServiceBowl. Sam will be some kind of hero protecting people in the crypts. All the Starks, Targs and Lannisters will live.

Some chance Gendry dies.

Edit: I hope Lyanna Mormont takes a sword to the face as well so I don't have to put up with her cringey scenes anymore.

Meera Reed is making out with Edmure Tully in the "who cares" basket.

seems they have to kill either gendry or arya's storyline, one cannot live while the other survives

lol no One if not two starks definitely get got here. Probably a total of three of the quoted group dies.

Also lol @ nobody realizing the crypts aren't a good idea.

I'll bet on it if you like. I don't have any spoilers.

Like, who specifically? We're talking about Jon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Jaime, Tyrion. Jon, Dany and Sansa can't die because they have unresolved tensions with each other and it would be a cheap way to defuse them. Tyrion is a bit too involved in the plot still. Jaime can't die because he has to kill Cersei and mourn Brienne. Bran would be a bit of a pointless kill, Theon is there to die protecting him. I guess Arya is a possibility, but I think they'll just kill Gendry and keep Arya around to be sad about it.

Although I agree with you, if we look at GRRM era GoT, people with unresolved stories/conflict did die quite a bit.