Magistre Ilyrio shows up with a wagon-load of dragon eggs which grow into Macho-Dragons YEEEAH!

Interesting...so Prince Charles' sons are next in line, not Prince Phillip...thanks.

"1stborn --> 1stborn --> 1stborn" is the usual order of succession, instead of "younger sister".

I was thrown off by Arya claiming Sansa is the smartest person in Westeros, but then we don't know what the 2 of them may have discussed over the break while Jon and Dani trek overland to WF rather than taking a boat... or a f***ing dragon. Jon is definitely not the smartest person in Westeros. It's actually annoying how little foresight he seems to possess.

Right.

i mean, it obv should be
he doesn't want it, she does
Jon even had that chat with Aemon in s1 about abdicating

but based on last season, they might refuse to write anything good and just amp up dumb drama like this, only to resolve it in like 2 minutes at the end due to how stupid it is


but worrying how so many ppl were against Dany & saying that Jon should be king
Sam basically went FULL Janice @ Richie Aprile
(oh baby you're the best, you should be the boss, it should be you!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B54t__1l4I (nsf life)

Am I the only one who saw:
*Sansa being a ***** to Dany and the remarks about food & dragons were just her making political statements to show the people who are loyal to the North that she's bending the knee for this battle against the NK, but not necessarily afterwards? Dany saw through it, too.

*Arya saying Sansa is the smartest person ever was Sansa warning Jon not to **** them over?



Fun episode. I agree there's a lot to wrap up but I don't think it's an issue for a final season. A lot of stuff will be wrapped up very fast by the upcoming events anyway .

Only scenes I disliked were Jon flying the dragon. Jon kissing Dany with the dragon being passive aggressive about it seemed like it came straight from some fanfic or something.

fake drama. They did it last year between Arya and Sansa.

I reckon Jon decides to not tell anyone but Sam makes sure everybody knows. All the Northeners will insist Jon is the rightful heir.

I thought those were the clear interpretations as well.

I didn't think it was terrible because it's not like the dragon is jealous or something, it's a warning/disapproval due to them being related. I guess it's still not a great scene, because it would have been better if it came before the official reveal that Dany is Jon's aunt, so there's no need for it now.

I mean, would you want to tell everybody that you've been ****ing your aunt?

For sure. That's part of what will make the post-NK resolution interesting.

Davos/Bronn/Brienne(Pod)

Are my top three. Though not neccesarily in that order. The Hound makes a good case too.

This is correct, Jon would be first in line even if Dany were male. But even if Dany were Aerys II's firstborn, a female cannot inherit the throne if there are any living male claimants. (Or at least, that's how it works in the books).

And then Sam suffers the same fate as his dad and Dickon?

They clearly want us to think this, but the heavy-handed way this was shoe-horned in suggests it's a red herring, and not a particularly good one.

I can understand The North accepting Sansa as Queen of the North, but why would the other 6 kingdoms accept this? It would be no different to everyone just shrugging their shoulders and accepting Theon as King.

Didn't pick up that those prostitutes chatting about "the boy Eddie... the ginger" who came back "with his face burned off" is a callback to Ed Sheeran's cameo last season

I doubt she would rule alone if they go that route. If the most powerful house in the north marries a powerful house in the south then they would be pretty good candidates for rebuilding whatever remains.

truly enjoyed the paralels with s1e1 like these peeps arrival to winterfell similar to roberts and the kid climbing things, also that end with jaime vs bran i rate it!!!

ye i think i liked everything in this first episode, except them takin the dragons out for a stroll and that unnecessary "keep ur queen warm" sequence, cringeeeee

is it unpopular/popular opinion that sometime after season 5 Tyrion turned into a decorative figure? feels like the writters dont know what to do with him... i dunno

That's what Targaryens have been doing for centuries.

Sexual relations between extended family is not even considered incestuous or gross in Westeros. Tywin Lannister married his cousin Joanna, for instance. The Targaryens went a step further in having siblings marry.

Yeah. A few of the strongest characters have dipped.

The hound has definitely had his best days behind him

"Seinfeld" isn't the only show about nothing.

the biggest disappointment is tyrion turning into an idiot

Author George Martin has paraphrased William Faulkner on a number of occasions in saying "the human heart in conflict with itself is the only thing worth writing about". In the books and early seasons, characters are constantly given choices between two things which are both important to them. Before the series even starts, Ned must choose between betraying his sister and betraying his wife (by lying to her that he fathered a bastard). Then he must choose between staying in Winterfell, where he feels his place is, or answering the call of duty and going to be Hand of the King. Before the series starts, Jaime must choose between his vow to protect the king and the necessity of killing the Mad King. Then, he must choose between having his relationship with his sister revealed and shoving Bran out the window. Tyrion must choose between his respect for his family (his father in particular) and his own dignity.

All these sorts of conflicts are going on CONSTANTLY in the early seasons and it's what makes the show captivating. Think about any character and you'll be able to come up with more (what about early-seasons Theon, for instance? Jon and his near-desertion of the Night's Watch?) The later writing just tends to be a bunch of stuff that happens. What characters have faced serious problems with conflicting values over the last couple seasons? We have a big one coming up of course, the one that's been set up from the beginning - that Dany must choose between Jon and her claim to the throne.

Right. Its why Joffrey had more claim to the throne than Renly or Stannis

Great analysis. I guess Jon going to Dragonstone rather than staying in the north was one, but then I suspect (without doing a great amount of analysis) that the better storylines are where the individual makes the wrong choice (e.g., Cat freeing Jamie; Robb marrying Talisa; Jon sparing Ygritte).