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The books are so divergent from the TV series and so far behind it now that they're not useful to speculate on what will happen in the show. There are a few prophecies not in the show but even if we know what they mean - which we generally don't - there's no guarantee the things they foretell will be in the show, in fact they may have been left out of the show for exactly that reason.

We had a conversation on the bookreader thread about what out of season 7 will make it into the books, and I've discussed it on r/ASOIAF as well, and there's like zero plot points that book fans all agree will make it into the books. It's generally agreed that the Wall will come down, but probably via different means. That's literally it. The two are totally separate now.

The only thing that the books can provide is additional backstory. Personally I think it's weird that people don't want to know backstory if they like the world. I haven't read The World of Ice and Fire or the Dunk and Egg novellas but I don't get mad when people talk about details from them. I wouldn't get mad if I was watching LOTR and people dropped info from The Silmarillion. But whatever, this thread can continue to exist for that purpose if people want. If you do like additional backstory, come join us in the bookreader thread.

one thing thats always been annoying, this whole king in the north stuff silly stuff could be avoided if Danny just styled herself Empress which she technically would be.

Then Jon will always be king and it won't even matter

lol at all the "Information coming from the books or people who have read the books" defenders, why do you think there was even 2 threads? Y'all are being asshats, lol at there even being a debate and lol @ how obvious the people defending it are because they've read the books and like posting in both threads.


Like ChrisV is the cool accepted bookreader who I see constantly posting in both threads, which TOTALLY makes sense, and of course never spoils anything or gives show watchers further information that only bookreaders could know, oh wait except his very last post or basically any time anyone who's familiar with book information posts, unknowingly or not.

There was always a clear spirit to this thread and the only people trying to destroy that spirit are the idiot book information guys who can't contain themselves to EveryThreadOnTheInternetBut1

what does this even mean?

when has the term emperor/empress ever been used in GoT world?

It's used all the time in the books

Its amazing how petty and nitty you have to be to be even remotely bothered by someone posting non spoilering back story lore about the GOT world because "loook man there are twoooo threads, count tem, twooooo."

FWIW I have never read a book, and dont post in the book readers thread.

I dont want to post or read that thread because ACTUAL REAL SPOILERS, but am interested in back story/lore, again if anyone can provide an actual argument for why we cant discuss that here beyond count the threads, I am all ears.

Grunching a bit here because I'm up way too early and I'm bored. Isn't the argument some folks are making for being allowed to post things found outside of just, only and solely the HBO TV show that there are NO "ACTUAL REAL SPOILERS" left now that the show is well ahead of the books? If that's really the case, then why doesn't anyone interested in more lore, backstory, whatever, that isn't stated in the TV show just head over to the other thread at this point? Apparently there is nothing to fear there now so why keep hanging out over here?

I agree with whoever posted earlier that the spirit of this thread seemed to always have been a discussion solely of knowledge gleaned from the TV show.

its an obvious solution to a problem the series seems to bump into over and over again

the problem is that dany wants jon to be answerable to hear while the north wants autonomy. how does a title change this?

is there any connection to the tv show at all here

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I think both sides are equally silly.

At this point we're ahead of/different from the books and I don't care what people post anymore.

But if people who haven't read the book want to have a thread limited to discussion amongst themselves informed only by the TV show and don't want bookreaders posting in the thread, that seems reasonable enough and easy for bookreaders to respect and not post.

its not just about getting spoiled on the show, i plan to finish reading the books at some point and want to avoid getting spoiled before doing so (since the plot allegedly diverges quite a bit). this is the one ****ing GoT related thread that i come to online and the title says no ****ing bookreaders

it's really pathetic the way these neckbeards insist upon posting itt

Rep,

FYI, Arya and Jaime both vote Republican near the end of A Feast For Crows.

neither one of them was ever written to be very bright iirc

I aint no filthy book reader though.

The whole reason this discussion started is because there are numerous sources of info about GOT that are not books, specifically you tubbz and wiki/internet in general.

Are there posters who really want a thread hermetically sealed to just wat is on the TV? Head assplode trying to walk in the shoes of anyone with that motivation.

I dont get it at all and am still waiting for someone to get close to even a compelling argument about why general non spoiler lore discussion about the GOT universe which can be consumed book free all over the internet should be forbidden.

Its obvious that during the several seasons of book = massive spoiler potential, massive vigilance, aggression and ban with extreme prejudice was necessary but some have forgotten the cause of the vigilance and see the vigilance as a prime mover in and of itself, which is understandable as it was an attitude necessary for several years before winter actually came.

Now they cant see past the vigilance actually seeing it as the point of the thread itself, no, the vigilance was just a means to an end. No ****ing spoilers being that end. I dont believe for one second the spirit or the intention of the thread was to have a discussion where we just discuss what is on the TV with absolute surgical precision.

Seems pretty clear.

Do you see the two defining terms?

TV Viewer/Book Reader.

Now what about TV viewers only who have seen something about GOT on Youtube?

Not so clear.

Also this argument is rerun, could have been avoided if you read the thread.

looooooooooooooooool O.A.F.K.1.1

What if someone reads the books and watches the show too? Huh?

LOL

best post since the book reader debate began

LBR is of course technically correct. The set of TV viewers includes the set of TV viewers that have also read the books.

Of course, everybody here knew the intent of the thread, which was to avoid spoiling TV show watchers with extrinsic knowledge of the plot.

The Mad King was deposed quite some time ago.

This thread has devolved so low that /unsubscribe and I'll be back for Season 8. See you then, on-season discussion was fun to watch and participate.

Loosen your ties, guys. No need to make any possible spoiler pages long fight.

Howard, are you a fake lawyer? Within the context of the entire OP, as well as the circumstances/intent in creating this thread, which you mention - do you really believe that the set of "TV viewers only" includes TV viewers who are also bookreaders?

Are you also sure that lbr is not posting sarcastically?