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Old 08-21-2017, 05:53 PM   #11451
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at what point did the book content end and they had to start making up their own content? Was the Battle of the Bastards in the book?
tyrion is just about to meet daenarys
jon snow dies to stabbings (bookreaders had to sit on this unanswered for like 8 years)
cersei goes on da walk of shame

presumedly GRRM has a lot of "Winds of Winter" finished but books diverting from show in lots of spots obviously. he probably isn't providing much beyond a general outline.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:57 PM   #11452
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Thanks ChrisV for posting in the other thread (I can't help but reading all of them after an episode), this certainly looks intentional to me (and seemed even more clear on my TV, will need to watch again):

Isn't it just water hitting the sword and the camera.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:57 PM   #11453
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at what point did the book content end and they had to start making up their own content? Was the Battle of the Bastards in the book?
starting in season 6 they had to make it up as they go.

stannis is still alive and jon is still dead in the base material
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:08 PM   #11454
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I kind of don't want to bring this up again and derail the thread but do you people really think Bran is warging into Jon's sword or some ****?

Jon comes up from under water, and a drop of water falls onto the sword. That's it.
I have no clue why people are assuming it has anything to do with Bran, that seems absurd to me as well. But it definitely does look like the eye of the wolf opens when Jon comes out of the water. It's possible it was just a very lucky optical illusion caused by the zooming or lighting and was unintentional, but the one thing i can say with confidence is that it was NOT a drop of fkn water lol.

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at what point did the book content end and they had to start making up their own content? Was the Battle of the Bastards in the book?
I believe in S5 and even S6 they still had a couple of book plotlines to wrap up, but the majority of the stories and dialogue were Dumb and Dumber's doing. Starting with the death of Barristan Selmy, whom GRRM said still had important things left to do in the books at the time.

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Old 08-21-2017, 06:21 PM   #11455
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I have no clue why people are assuming it has anything to do with Bran

Probably because Bran wargs all the time, usually through animals, or trees which are made of wood, often with faces/eyes carved into the wood.

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But it definitely does look like the eye of the lion opens when Jon comes out of the water.
Lion? LION!?
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:33 PM   #11456
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Oops my bad that was a mental slip obviously.

And when has it ever shown Bran warging into a tree or anything else inanimate? Warging has always been strictly about animals/humans as far as I remember. It has been stated the children used the trees to communicate, but I don't recall anything beyond that. Am I forgetting a scene?

Anyway even if he could warg into trees, they are still living creatures at least, while Longclaw is not.

Furthermore, what purpose would it serve the story for Bran to have warged into the sword?

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Old 08-21-2017, 06:36 PM   #11457
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re jons sword, thats just an optical illusion. the sword usually has eyes. just a lighting/reflection thing where jon's hand reflects off the marble thingy.
This.

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That gif is nothing similar. In the scene, the eyes change at the same angle with the same clarity as Jon comes out of the water from the other side -- nothing could be causing an illusion, it was intentional.

All that being said I'm not sure it even means anything other than something extra for those who happen to notice.
It's probably just a reflection of Jon's hand, maybe off of a lighting prop that is then reflected off the white of the eye. That would explain why it only appears exactly as Jon's hand comes forward. The showrunners aren't that subtle, if it were meant to be something, they'd probably have made it a bit more obvious.

The lighting props could be as simple as things like these or whatever else people use:

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Old 08-21-2017, 06:37 PM   #11458
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If they wanted Arya to not appear completely insane they really should have had Sansa do something way more dubious than some old letter she wrote many years ago under duress.

That's what's rubbing me wrong about their supposed friction, it's totally baseless and forced.
I'm just going to assume Arya is playing some kind of angle against LF here. Just like I'm going to assume the Night King can see the future. The writing has gotten worse, but I'm holding out hope it hasn't gotten that bad.
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:51 PM   #11459
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Nailed it

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Old 08-21-2017, 07:10 PM   #11460
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The only thing worse than how much of a letdown this episode was is the people who are arguing over whether or not Bran warged into a sword. jfc
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:11 PM   #11461
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Long digression about succession to the throne and how Daenerys can't have kids must be a setup for something. I'm thinking that Daenerys either sacrifices herself at the end with the understanding that Jon Snow will be the king or she gives up her claim to the throne for the same reason.

Either way, Jon Snow is on the Iron Throne at the end of the show, which pretty much sucks.
I really doubt the Iron Throne exists at the end of the show. Aside from anything else, Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed Red Keep at the House of the Undying in S2.

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watched some older season wight stuff, you are probably right for what they are going for right now but in the older seasons wights cant' be killed with anything but fire/obsidian and they were stronger 1vs1 than regular people.
Obsidian was never a thing for killing wights. In early show, it's very difficult to kill them with anything but fire. They appear to have relaxed this so that we can have super sick battle scenes.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:24 PM   #11462
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I wasn't impressed with last night's episode (other than the banter as the troop marched north of the wall), but for all of you bemoaning how bad you think the post-book episodes are - have you forgotten last season's epic final two episodes? There's hope still.

On a side note, do any other unspoilered think that next episode could be Littlefinger's last?
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:04 PM   #11463
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I really doubt the Iron Throne exists at the end of the show. Aside from anything else, Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed Red Keep at the House of the Undying in S2.
When speaking to Dany in the last episode, Tyrion seemed to be laying the groundwork for alternative forms of government (bringing up the Night Watch's system of voting, talking about "breaking the wheel"). I suspect we see some sort of democracy at the end of the series.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:26 PM   #11464
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It seems wildly inconsistent to assert that Arya arc writing is subtle and sophisticated at the same time we've just seen an episode where the north of the wall writing is so abysmal. FALL BACK to where, you morons? They're on a tiny ****ing island with nowhere to go. The whole Tormund is dead and then he isn't was lame. Jon falling into the water and the cold hands rescue was idiocy. And the dragon arrival and dragon death were as predictable and lame as any stupid Hollywood formula battle epic. What the showrunners have done here is a thoughtless travesty.

I'm at risk of rage-quitting the show.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:32 PM   #11465
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And the whole bait-them-with-fire bit also made no sense.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:38 PM   #11466
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I wasn't impressed with last night's episode (other than the banter as the troop marched north of the wall), but for all of you bemoaning how bad you think the post-book episodes are - have you forgotten last season's epic final two episodes? There's hope still.

On a side note, do any other unspoilered think that next episode could be Littlefinger's last?
BotB was epic in its spectacle and it was very well shot. The writing, and the convoluted way it got to where it needed to get, was stupid. Just like this episode.
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Old 08-21-2017, 09:23 PM   #11467
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They just need to get the show back on the reservation. Have the characters start behaving like actual, reasonable human beings again and stop all the tired tv cliche stuff.

A little tv cliche stuff you can get away, but this last episode... if the final season ends up being ridiculous you can call this past episode the Jump the Shark moment for the show.
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Old 08-21-2017, 10:45 PM   #11468
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And are you guys on board yet with Arya and Maisie sucking? That sequence with Sansa was pure cringe.
Maisie's delivery of her lines does seem to have become worse. Just as in Doctor Who, her performance is stiff.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:06 PM   #11469
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Did Sansa send Brienne away so she cpuld not interfere with a plot to kill arya
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:19 PM   #11470
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It seems wildly inconsistent to assert that Arya arc writing is subtle and sophisticated at the same time we've just seen an episode where the north of the wall writing is so abysmal. FALL BACK to where, you morons? They're on a tiny ****ing island with nowhere to go. The whole Tormund is dead and then he isn't was lame. Jon falling into the water and the cold hands rescue was idiocy. And the dragon arrival and dragon death were as predictable and lame as any stupid Hollywood formula battle epic. What the showrunners have done here is a thoughtless travesty.

I'm at risk of rage-quitting the show.
Well said Howard.

Unfortunately, I've seen this coming for some time, thus my desire to see knight king Jon Snow on an ice dragon.

The heavy action scenes are becoming more and more ridiculous. Pretty soon they'll introduce a new character type yo spice things up, sea animals will come ashore to claim the Iron throne.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:25 PM   #11471
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I'm just going to assume Arya is playing some kind of angle against LF here. Just like I'm going to assume the Night King can see the future. The writing has gotten worse, but I'm holding out hope it hasn't gotten that bad.
I think you are giving the writers too much credit. It seems like nothing more than a bad plot device to create conflict between the sisters. It's possible Arya figures out it was all LF in the end, but as of now I'm convinced she's actually angry at Sansa. For what I have no idea... which is why it's terrible writing either way. No one really thinks she'd be angry about that note, so even as a ruse to trick LF it's dumb because Sansa wouldn't believe Arya was really mad either.

Seems to me they have been trying to paint Sansa as a power hungry villain for a while now and this is just a clunky attempt to move that story arc forward.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:40 PM   #11472
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Long digression about succession to the throne and how Daenerys can't have kids must be a setup for something. I'm thinking that Daenerys either sacrifices herself at the end with the understanding that Jon Snow will be the king or she gives up her claim to the throne for the same reason.

Either way, Jon Snow is on the Iron Throne at the end of the show, which pretty much sucks.
The thing that would really suck about Jon on the Iron Throne is that he's just not that clever. He is good and brave and all that but he just does so much dumb ****. If they were going to put him on the throne while highlighting that (e.g. as a critique of who people want to follow), that would actually be good... like Jon ascends to the throne and then fast forward to two years later, he can't figure out how to compound the interest on his loans or arrange food storage for winter, then he dies trying to swim to Pyke and fight Euron over some goonish remark he made in 1973, and the whole realm descends back into war and mindless savagery.

I think if GRRM has an outline in mind it will either be a cautionary tale / price of power type scenario, or they decide to start a whole new type of govt entirely.

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Old 08-21-2017, 11:43 PM   #11473
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It's bad writing for Littlefinger. Arya has to fall for it to show how diabolical he is or wtf, did he have a stroke? They just aren't clever enough to write for his character.
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Old 08-22-2017, 02:41 AM   #11474
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Did Sansa send Brienne away so she cpuld not interfere with a plot to kill arya
I interpreted that scene as Arya using Sansa's face to send Brienne away so she couldn't get in the way of her plan to kill Sansa. But I'm probably wrong.
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Old 08-22-2017, 03:09 AM   #11475
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Can't you only use the face of dead people though?
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