I'm pretty sure if you break into a girls bedroom and then choke her to death, a defence of "she tried to stab me" wouldn't get you very far in court.

"break into her bedroom"? that's quite a bit of revisionist history

@+ rep: Good post.

Perhaps not, but I don't know that Martin thinks about GTO when he writes. Without any basis whatever, I think Martin finds as many titillating plot lines as he can, and Shae screwing Tywin and Tyrion killing both is definitely that.

I do think the show was ambiguous about how the Tywin/Shae relationship started and who was the driver behind it, and I definitely don't remember all the details. Either way, though, it's the girl she loves screwing his dad, all against the background of him being both lonely and insecure. I agree that the show is pretty ambiguous about the nature of Shae's feelings for Tyrion; I sort of thought they were somewhat genuine all the way along, although it's hard to see how that's true when you see her in bed with Tywin.

All of that stuff is far, far better than Tyrion trying to make jokes with Missandei and Grey Worm.

Especially after I just said it wasn't her bedroom and then linked to the video which shows it.

Ok. Try and play this explanation out in a modern city and arrive at any other description.

Your honor. I was intending to break into my father's room, possibly to kill him. Then I found a prostitute I used to pay. She picked up a knife so I choked her to death. I feel very bad about it.

howard,

ya i mean i think the romance/relationship angle with shae and tyrion is a fine idea, just could have been executed a bit better, and it is a bit redundant since we already got the backstory about tyrion's first whore and how much he hates and resents his father for what he did

and totally agree the stuff with tard-cornudo and missandei now is basically the worst. remember when they were doing that whole sub-plot with the two of them falling in love or something? that was just strange, another example of what i find to be just really peculiar writing/directing wrt love and relationships, and think it is just a total waste of screen time

obv GRRM is a total neckbeard, so i guess it's really not surprising

he opened the door and walked into his father's room. she was on the bed, grabbed a knife and attacked him as soon as she saw him. have no idea wtf youre going on about here

Missandei can do whatever the hell she wants on screen

It's glossed over because in the context of the show it's not ****ed up at all.

She was in her bed. Sleeping. The idea that someone can break into your room and kill you, but somehow it's your fault is insane.

Also. There's a massive thread of "she deserved it for betraying him and ****ing tywin". You can't deny that.

And that's the messed up part.

i think we can all agree on that.

Now I'm confused. Is the judge trying to figure out if Tyrion is guilty of any crime at all or if he's guilty of a misogynist murder?

This is 100% correct; but for the 4th time: this isn't what happened.

There's no doubt that Tyrion is guilty of a double murder, although I admit I now can't remember why Tyrion went to his father's bed-chamber. This all happened when Jaime let Tyrion out of his cell and Tyrion was escaping King's Landing, but I'm fuzzy on the detail. I suppose it could lead to some irresistible impulse or temporary insanity kind of thing -- although in KL, the High Septon would simply put everyone involved to death.

The whole arc would have been much better if Shae had been more attractive.

lol at anyone defending shae and saying killing her isnt the most standard (near only) option for tyrion.

preferrably naked, but we agree on this

lots of misogynist women abusers itt if you ask me.

To kill his father.

betrayal > tries to get you killed > sleeps with your father > tries to kill you herself

nothing to do with being a woman

if anything, the women are pretty empowered in this show. they call a ton of shots, and i have zero problems with that

the number of powerful women is more unrealistic than the dragons or undead zombies

(mwehehheh)

betrayal is even worse than rape according to this guy

lol kinda is tho, given the setting

I don't think Tyrion intended to kill Tywin when he went to the chamber of the hand, but became enraged and did so when a) he found shae in his father's bed and b) Tywin called her a whore for the second time.

Yeah maybe "to confront his father" would've been the better response. He may have not had a plan, but it seems likely one of them would not leave the confrontation alive.