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Varys went to recruit allies and then find his way back. The last shot of the armada also showed there were brand new ships with dragon heads on them. For all we know they could've taken months or years to get themselves ready to for a full head on attack. I've never been to war but my guess would be it might actually take some time for planning strategies, recruitment, amassing armament etc. What did you think was going to happen? Varys secures Dorne and the Tyrells and sends a raven to Dany and immediately they attack?

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Speculation on top of speculation. What exactly would be wrong with the show setting out its timeline more clearly?

06-27-2016 , 03:16 PM

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Speculation on top of speculation. What exactly would be wrong with the show setting out its timeline more clearly?

Because 90%+ of the viewers don't care if the timeline is perfect and explained to them.

Unless you want to always list the date at the bottom for a new scene or say something like 3 months later, I don't know how you would do it. I guess you could always have a few stilted lines of dialogue to introduce each scene and set the time, but that would be pretty annoying.

06-27-2016 , 03:18 PM

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There'd be nothing wrong with it. But just because they didn't doesn't mean it's a plot hole.

06-27-2016 , 03:25 PM

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I think the timeline is handled fine. They make it pretty clear that there are sometimes fairly big jumps in time. They can't have "2 days later" "3 weeks later" signs every time they cut to a new scene. Sometimes it's fine to have a bit of faith that viewers can figure stuff out without having it completely spelled out.

06-27-2016 , 03:32 PM

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06-27-2016 , 03:55 PM

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Does Cersei have any sort of "legitimate" claim to the throne? Or is she just taking it simply because she's crushed everyone who could possibly object and she simply can?

Who would be the proper heir in this case? Surely there's some random Baratheon 2nd cousins floating around out there.

06-27-2016 , 03:58 PM

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Great post!

06-27-2016 , 04:02 PM

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Gendry's just looking for a parking spot, he'll be arriving any minute

06-27-2016 , 04:12 PM

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Probably the most legitimate claim in Kings Landing she killed everyone else and seems if no one is round you can just claim it like she did. Still have faith in Gendry turning up with arms bigger than the Mountains after all that rowing who has the strongest claim.

06-27-2016 , 04:44 PM

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Dorne is in south Westeros, ie very far from Merereen. It makes no sense for Varys to have gone all the way to Dorne, and then back to Meereen just to get on a ship back to Westeros.

Dorne is the closest place in Westeros to Mereen. Not exactly close though:

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of...on/49/sunspear

06-27-2016 , 04:47 PM

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Are people really struggling with the fact that the various plot lines are moving at different speeds? That's pretty standard for a show with a ton of plot lines spread out over a large area. The different plot lines move at different speeds. It's really not complicated.

06-27-2016 , 04:49 PM

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The Arya storyline was still stupid, just because the end scene was great doesn't mean the journey to get there was correct

No white walkers was lame but overall a good ep

ya this

best episode so far tho imo

really do wish we could have seen tommen splat tho, lil fkn bitch

06-27-2016 , 04:52 PM

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It seems like in the end, if the people want you to be king, you're king. Or if you have the power and no one to oppose you, you can declare yourself queen. All the rules get thrown out.

This is correct

06-27-2016 , 04:53 PM

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We don't know the time span between the explosion and her alliance w Dorne. I believe it was Arya's intention to seduce Jamie to kill him.

what? jamie wasn't even on her list, walder was tho

06-27-2016 , 04:59 PM

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Are the GOT writers feminists? When you think about it, almost all of winning moves this season were by women over men. Sand snakes, Sansa vs Bolton, Cersei vs High Sparrow, Arya vs Frey, Dany vs several , Yara taking ships from Euron, girl birds stabbing Pycelle.

06-27-2016 , 05:22 PM

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She just killed all of her enemies and runs the city. Sounds legitimate to me. Neither in history, or in the show, does power work purely through 'legitimacy' claims. If you wield all of the power, that's all that matters. Robert had no claim. He took it by force. Cersei doing the same.

06-27-2016 , 05:22 PM

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how about Tommen suiciding before he even knew 100% that Marg didnt get out. Not to mention leaving Ser Pounce all alone. Who's gonna fill that bowl?

It wouldve been really sick if they had Marg sneak out just in time due to her suspicions and then have Tommen jump anyway. How pissed would Cersei be about that?

Would Marg be Queen then?

06-27-2016 , 05:23 PM

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No, Cersei would snap have Marg killed. But let's say she escapes the city. Still, no. Queen Consort is not in the line of succession.

06-27-2016 , 05:25 PM

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dont forget Brienne > Hound and Arya > Ser Meryn Trant in prior seasons

also there has been A LOT of men killing women, men raping women on this show

a good percentage of it is revenge

06-27-2016 , 05:54 PM

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how about Tommen suiciding before he even knew 100% that Marg didnt get out. Not to mention leaving Ser Pounce all alone. Who's gonna fill that bowl?

He didn't jump when he saw it explode, he jumped when someone left the room saying "I'm very sorry your grace"

06-27-2016 , 05:56 PM

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Have we seen every stronghold except for the constantly mentioned Casterly Rock?

My prediction for next season's finale: Cersei and Jamie are holed up in Casterly Rock, besieged by Dany's army. Tyrion offers them the chance to surrender which they turn down. The last we see of Cersei/Jaime is them enjoying each other while the walls get battered down. You read it here first!

06-27-2016 , 06:00 PM

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yep Sciolist, you're right I missed that.

06-27-2016 , 06:11 PM

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Tommen doing the ChrisMorris.gif being criminally overlooked itt

Spoiler:

06-27-2016 , 06:32 PM

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She's always been descried as his betrothed and not wife.

Also, even if Jon is not a bastard Dany > Jon in terms of rightful claim. Since Rhaegar died before Varys, at Vary's death the claim would pass to Viserys and then Dany.

I guess if Jon wants to pull a Renly having the Targ blood could help, but given that Dany's support is based on her dragons, power, etc. and not blood, I'm not sure how being a Targ really helps him in terms of claiming the throne (unless Dany dies).

If Jon is considered to be in line to the Iron Throne then Viserys never had a valid claim in first place before him, as does not Dany. Son of a first son comes before second son. And Westeros not counting Dorne loathes women as rulers, but I guess King's Landing is in ruins and running out of candidates and Cersei is effectively Queen of Ashes.