I'm still hoping that my man Stannis is alive. Briennes line "We all had hard decisions to make" gave me some hope that her decision was to let him live. But it's highly unlikely but well there is some hope, especially after we saw everyone get murdered in quite the detail including heads being bashed in.

Stannis is quite definitely dead. They didn't show the killing blow because it would be "gratuitous". Reasoning doesn't follow considering all the other graphic violence in this show.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/143296/...d-jon-snow.htm

So, Walder Frey has to be pissed now that Ramsay has killed his daughter and grandson. We already saw that he isn't exactly the forgiving type.

I'm guessing the Riverlands are gonna play a part this season. I just hope we get a return of this guy:

I was hoping somehow Stannis was still alive but I think we can safely consider him gone. When Ramsay and Roose were talking about their victory Roose asked who was the man who'd struck the fatal blow. To me that seemed to suggest that his body had been discovered.

I stand corrected. Good thing I didnt bet on it.

They also found the body in the woods...per Roose in Ep one of this season

Are we allowed to post fan theories itt?

Since its un substantiated the answer is "yes" but I'd say spoiler tag them because some "theories" especially from the public interwebs are based on book stuff that people get all sand in there vajays about

Hopefully a return of the Blackfish too. You don't just escape the Red Wedding and never get heard of again.

My theory is that they didn't show the death of Stannis to establish that major characters can indeed die off-screen. Thus, when they (hopefully) reveal that the Hound is still alive, it'll be a bit more a surprise.

I am saddened that the wussed out on the jon snow bonfire, that woulve been a cooler resurrect, especially as it was said they are building one. If the fan theories are correct(they are further than the books now afaik, havent read them) it wouldve been plausible.

Bold prediction: next episode the dragons are gonna free their mother

Let's see what they actually can say:

a)He is dead
b)He is alive
c)We won't tell

How did Brienne kill him? Clean beheading, just straight into the face? How do footsoldiers recognize Stannis? Not like all really knew how he looked like ? So they'd prob go by resemblence and more expensive armor/sword or something.

It certainly is not likely but I'm not convinced it's 100% over.

Did the Jon Snow resurrection thing come from book readers? I know it didn't happen in the books yet, but everyone was so convinced that it started to feel less like a prediction and more like common knowledge. There were reasons to predict it from the show alone for sure, but it felt to me like it was inside info and essentially a spoiler.

I heard from book readers that


After all the major characters the show has killed off, the creators must be a bit pissed that they couldn't convince us Jon was dead and have this episode come as a huge shock.

The certainty came from crazy fans who were stalking the set and production notes which confirmed his return for this season.

Ten chapters from the upcoming booked have been "leaked", for example on GRRM's website. I haven't read any of them but it is possible that they contained clues.

Did they want the series to wrap up during this episode lol? Calling it boring can be nothing but trolling.

I don't think they did. My roommate reads all that stuff and would have told me, he's kind of a jerk like that.

I recommend non-readers to not read internet theories or go looking for them unless you want extra book info, both medias are similar and about at the same point but there are hints of stuff here and there to push theories

and this

I slightly don't buy Ramsey getting away with killing Roose and usurping him scott free. Sure he setup the death to have not many witnesses, but even still Roose has thousands of men supposedly very loyal to him, they're going to know what's up. Likewise, the fact his 9 month pregnant wife just randomly disappears at the exact same time he mysteriously dies? Yeah...

I guess the implication is that those around Ramsey are terrified to death of him so the prospect of crossing him is not a pleasant one.

But still, the idea the entire Bolton clan would just follow him now, despite knowing he murdered his own father and their sworn Lord, it's a bit of a stretch IMO.

I was expecting Jon to rise from the flames based on him having blood of the dragons.

He has made 1 alliance, but I must have missed his Roose's men bending the knee to Ramsey.

why mod a thread if this gets through? its not a big deal and was sorta assumed from the show; but what is up with allowing confirmation with a link to something that is speculation

is the red woman using magic body double? that rack has been nice for years now. legs too. lets link good research like that

enjoyed this episode. lets hope we don't go the full on exposition route with the story telling. i get that things are happening and moving but the execution of storytelling is what set GoT apart, been lacking a little. did chuckle at the Mountain head smash of the rabble rouser

Great episode. All but confirmed who Jon's parents are now afaict.