I kinda feel like Jaime will definitely take action from this. I don't see any other option for him at this point; the moment he had with Myrcella before she died, in my mind, will convince him to hit back somehow.

The Dothraki we saw in season 1 did not get wiped out. They moved on after Dany's husband died and abandoned her, only a few stragglers stayed behind with her. There has never been any mention of other tribes, as far as we know, this is the same group that abandoned her in season 1.

Re: Daenerys and the Dothraki, the fact that they didn't just gut her immediately leads me to believe she will be able to handle the situation somehow.

Brianne (sp?) was never shown killing Stannis and made a noise like she was hurt.

Stannis is still alive, IMO.

Maybe Brienne caught Sansa like Fezzik in the Princess Bride.

Hmm, I didn't consider that Jon could be resurrected by Mel.

Honestly, this was my first thought too. He has played the "game" better than anyone, and has been rewarded so far. I think something happened and we didn't see it.

I'd say no. I'm not a huge spoiler nit, but I know some people actively avoid anything like this, so no need to bring it in.

The whole episode changes everything. Stannis dies, Dany is taken by the dothraqi, Cercei shamed and loses her daughter. The 3 largest powers have all be taken down somewhat. Stannis obv not coming back. That means the north belongs to the Boltons. Dany taken. She is right back where she started. Cercei is almost certainly going to cause some kind of genocide over that ****. Then, a Dornish person just killed her daughter, she'll want blood for that too, and this is all while she is doing dumb **** to highgarden.

Wow at Jon Snow dying. Hopefully that's why they showed the red lady before it happened. Davos is there too, what's his story from here? Are the wildlings going to fight for the next lord commander if Jon is dead.

I think Sansa and Theon were escaping, not committing suicide. Snow vs no snow for the other girl. Pretty standard that she would go to the wall to meet Jon, which would be interesting either way, or LF I guess. Arya was being punished, don't think she's dead either. Other girl said she's not ready. I think that means she'll still get a chance.

Tyrion back in power. He's like the LF of the east, thriving in chaos. Speaking of LF, he just got a whole lot more powerful by staying idol. Does he go through with an attack on winterfell like he promised Cercei?

There was a mention of at least 1 other from when Dany sent riders out in the beginning of S2. Jorah says at least one other Khal after they sent one of her followers head back.

I think was the whole idea, and am surprised they didn't use it earlier. I thought that scene ran too long fwiw. They could have achieved the same sense of shame and sympathy and whatever socio-political point they're trying to make in less than half the time.

But whatever. At least now we can sort of root for Cersei.

you hear her sword smashing into stannis. no chance of him living.


holy fkn wow at the rest of th episode jesus

I stand corrected, although I still think the dathraki in this scene are intended to be the same tribe from season 1.

If it's something like Brienne getting shot from behind and we didn't see it, that would be super cheap. If Brienne realized Stannis could help her save Sansa, and wanted to test his truthfulness or something, okay I guess.

Still, Stannis has no army, no Meli, no Davos allegiance, does he have any chance of taking the throne if he is alive?

Btw thanks to the mods for insta-approving the posts tonight.

I'm not convinced that Stannis is dead, he would make a great hostage and would be her way into Winterfell possibly? Like gifting Stannis to the Boltons or trying to exchange him for Sansa.

Cersei is no Tywin but I imagine her revenge will be brutal. Release the Frankenmountain!

half an hour ago you didn't even remember who they were. 15 minutes ago you thought there was only one dothraki horde. we'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.

it's possible that this is the same khalasar, or some remnants of it, but there's no reason to assume so. they didn't show us any of the former bloodriders from the drogo days, although i think most of the ones we would recognize got killed at some point.

I didn't hear that at all.

right, brienne of tarth, who was born without a sense of humor or irony and has all the subtlety of a ****ing jackhammer, sentenced stannis to die and then they cut away right as she changes her mind and decides the guy who has no army, no friends and would be killed on sight by the dominant army of the north is going to somehow help her out.

come on people. there are twists and there are twists. that would be some m night shamalama type ****. this show does a lot of brutal stuff but it rarely gives us totally random, out-of-the-blue twists with no foreshadowing or narrative value. stannis' arc is over, and takes with it an important statement about ruling and morality in GoT land.

there's an interesting parallel with cersei here, too. both got themselves into trouble. both were inflexible, absolutist and deeply flawed (in different ways). both were put to a test - stannis was asked to kill his own blood in brutal fashion in order to win a war. cersei was asked to renounce her pride in order to buy herself a chance to hold onto power. cersei's willingness to give in, and to show some level of compromise or at least playing along, kept her alive and gave her another chance, though she paid the price. stannis' inability to adjust and his insane focus on his "destiny" at the expense of his family brought about his downfall.

Well I sure as hell didn't see THAT coming.

Stannis ending was fitting in ever way, and I sorta saw it coming, after what he did I knew he wasn't long for the world. I figured it'd be Brienne that did him in, but I thought he'd defeat the Bolton's first.

Dany back with the Dothraki has big potential for her to do interesting stuff again.

The watch sort of rebelling against Jon, well the writing and innuendo has been there this whole season, but I didn't think it'd go down like that however.

This was my first thought as well. He seems just way too important to simply die right there and the timing of her coming back to the wall right as this happens just seems far to coincidental.

The second that chick kissed the Lanister daughter I was like 95% sure it was poisoning.

I mean now that Cersei is back you gotta figure she's going to order Tommen to wipe out the religious folk but he may still hesitate since they still hold Margery.

can I get an ******* chant started for the nightswatch?

No way Sansa is dead, and maybe not Theon too.

I'm pretty sure the whole, if you don't see them die on camera, they aren't dead rule applies.

Remember there was heavy snow on the ground, so them surviving the fall is plausible.

They had to set up a few open ending interesting things for next season.

Lots of thoughts.

Why did they cut away and not actually show Stannis' death?

No way is Sansa dead. Might be hurt or something, but Brienne is obv going to come and save the day. Likewise Arya, it seemed like she was just losing her vision or basically that meant she was just becoming "no one".

Jon Snow death makes no sense at all, especially with Melisandre (sp?) showing up. Not sure what will happen there but I definitely don't see that being the end of his character.

Looking forward to Frankenstein going ham on all the lolreligion people and I hope someone goes full Ramsay torture mode on every member of the Nights Watch.