that was by far and away the most shocking, gruesome ending i've ever seen, movie or show. shell shocked. jesus ****ing christ GoT wears me down so hard. pretty much can't believe that happened. if tyrion dies i cry + quit GoT. can't take it anymore

I'm fine with Tyrion dying...

He's awesome, but his tank is running low-- This is an epic saga, not the Tyrion show. If he sticks around, I wouldn't be mad, but I'd prefer he doesn't stick around long enough to become stale. I mean, it was already getting close with his interactions with Shae.

Obviously my imagination is not the limiting factor of the story, but the only way I can see his character not getting dull but not dying this season, is if he is sent to the wall. Jaime still has a trump card that he can use as leverage with Tywin. Tyrion at the wall could be quite interesting. Seeing him **** all over Slynt again would be great.

The seal was a Hand - I assume that means Hand of the King.

I would guess that when they sent Jorah the original pardon, they kept one in KLs for the records (or something like that).

Presumably, they have filing cabinets in King's Landing. Tywin probably took a copy from there.

I can't believe I will be the first one ITT to say: Oberyn is still alive, yo.

The priestess Mellisandre is her name I think, told him that the war of the five Kings means nothing and that he is needed at the wall. Without Stannis the wall is 100% gone.

Disney has finally released artwork for the animated film (December, 2015).

yea the guy who plays theon is just A+, very talented

LOL dude this is exactly what I was thinking, both about how the plotting points towards him being a drag and needing to die yet he could have something left for him at the Wall

That said, I have a hard time accepting a Tyrion death, because it's different than all the other "nobody is safe" deaths. Everybody else, Ned, Robb, Cat, died with themselves partly to blame. They also ran way too good. Tyrion hasn't been about this. A Tyrion death means that fate cannot be challenged. It means that the biggest protagonist, who did everything he could to overcome his antagonists, couldn't and was killed by them. I can't think of many (if any) examples of this in other TV/film. Ned, Robb, and Cat were never screwed from birth, but if Tyrion dies, it means he was

A writer who kills Ned or Robb is a trope-breaker, but a writer who kills Tyrion is a psychopath. Or maybe they're just influenced a lot by Greek tragedies, where the name of the game is fate cannot be defeated

Probably more.

And Selmy got kicked off the King's Guard when Robert died, he arrived almost two seasons ago. No way a messenger would take longer than that. My guess is it would take like, a few months.

Anyway, if Selmy got the letter from Tywin (which is very likely the case if it had the stamp of the hand of the king, I missed that), then getting rid of Jorah isn't the end game ldo. He isn't that important to her. He's there to gain her trust and **** her over. Which seems pretty un-Selmy-like, but who knows how his relation to Tywin is and what his motives are. There are plenty of possible explanations why Selmy would do this.

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The worst/most realistic part of that was Oberyn's high pitch screaming.

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i just think tyrion wont die. The series love surprises and now we're all expected it, i just dont think they're going to do it.

For Ned it was obvious he was close to dying but 90% of people who watching was thinking "yeh he wont die as hes a main character, hes getting out of this somehow". but now they expect us to think they can just kill anyone off and expect them to do so with tyrion that i think the surprise will be that he doesnt die. lol

I disagree. Tyrion is partly to blame for his current situation. As was evidenced by his trial. He's been running his mouth, specifically threatening Joffrey, way more than someone who lived in westoros should expect to getaway with.

Btw I advice people to turn off chat on twitch they always post got spoilers there.

I guess Tywin should be pissed at the outcome of the fight. I cant imagine he is pleased with the Mountain admitting the rape&murder, plus dealing with the death of the Dorne Prince could be bothersome.

And sentencing Tyrion to death does not benefit him in any way. The deal with Jaime is probably off as a result of that too.

I guess. I view that more as a literary cop-out though. If Tyrion dies, it means that Cersei got what she has wanted since the day he was born. It also means Tywin gets his wish. The two people who wanted Tyrion's death the most would come out triumphant.

Maybe Tyrion is the writers' Oedipus Rex. The screen almost never tells that story anymore, so I'll be quite surprised. I just have a hard time seeing so much about how Tyrion's life sucks because he's disfigured and a shame to his family, and then they finally kill him. Normally, with somebody as charismatic and central to the story as Tyrion, it would mean that he overcomes this fate. But again, maybe the writers are trying to pull some Sophocles on us

I think getting rid of Jorah is the plan. At the Small Council meeting, it was emphasized a few times that Dany had two knights advising her, when Cersei tried to dismiss her importance. I think Twyin's plan is to divide her camp and getting rid of Jorah is the first step.

I also don't think Selmy is part of the plot. It seemed like he wasn't expecting the pardon, but once he saw it, he had no choice but to share it. I don't think we've seen anything to indicate that he would support the Lannisters, and that he's over being dismissed by Cersei.

This, and the whole Shae thing.

Oh, also, someone mentioned Tywins, "but you're a Lannister" speech to Tyrion. Think about it... this is when he makes him Hand. It was an epic long con. Joffrey needed to be reigned in, but that's a dangerous task. Tyrion sees his father as the ultimate power, but his father is smart enough to know that no matter how powerful you are, you're gambling by slapping around and belittling a the king. But he's able to convince Tyrion to be his fool because of Tyrion's longing to be accepted by his family.

Once Tyrion breaks Joffrey down a bit, Tywin can come in and control him with a much lighter touch while never risking his own neck.

This all makes sense when Tywin drops it on Tyrion that he'll never be the heir to Casterly Rock. Tyrion served his purpose, and in serving it he got himself even more on the wrong side of Joffrey and Cersei. Now Tywin can dispose of him whenever he likes and even Jamie won't put up that big of a fight.

wow which one of you guys is this ;

I think you're taking it too far, I don't see how that's necessarily about fate at all. Fate doesn't seem to be a strong theme of the series anyway.

It does seem like there's a theme about underdogs though. Jon, Dany and Tyrion all seem to be among the "strongest" characters atm, in terms of sense of being important and screen time. Bran might qualify too.

I can.

Theon in irl is the brother of lily allen .Good act idd.

Inclined to agree. If Tyrion didn't openly berate Joffrey so much, he wouldn't be suspect #1 in his death and would likely have avoided his current predicament.