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They completely **** on the Ending of the most epic TV show ever cuz they wanted to shorten it to get to work for Disney's Star Wars. They did an incomplete job, in school you get and I. That's worse then an F.

And they did it to work on a franchise that's been gangraped by Micky Mouse & friends, those sick ****s have had their way with the force.

05-29-2019 , 02:14 AM

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I don't think it's clear at all that Ned didn't know that Lyanna went willingly. What is he supposed to do with that information? She's betrothed to Robert, the fact that she loves Rhaegar doesn't at all make it OK for her to up and leave, that's not how the world works. Robert was in love with her and wouldn't have heard a word about it. If you look at Ned's POV chapters in the books, his thoughts about Rhaegar don't seem like he bears him animosity.

Warning, book stuff from now on.

The Rebellion was only based on a lie if you buy the story that those Houses were totes loyal to the Targs, but wouldn't you know it, Rhaegar stole one of their women and unfortunately they have no choice but to go get her back. However, this is likely to be a whitewashing of history, the story is probably more complicated. There is a theory known in fandom as "Southron Ambitions", after this quote from Lady Dustin (a book-only character) talking to Theon:

What does she mean by this? Well, we know that the lords of Houses Tully, Baratheon, Stark, Arryn and perhaps Lannister were unusually close at this time, and the houses were linking themselves together with intermarriage. Ned and Robert were fostered together by Lord Arryn at the Eyrie. Catelyn was betrothed to Brandon Stark, Robert to Lyanna. Lord Hoster Tully sought to betroth his daughter to Jaime Lannister, possibly intending to bring them into the alliance, but Aerys II foiled this by naming Jaime to his Kingsguard.

This is all very unusual. If you look at Westerosi history, normally the children of Great Houses are betrothed to vassal houses, to strengthen the Great House's position with their bannermen. This heavy intermarriage between Great Houses is likely to be a sign that there was a conspiracy between at least 4 of them to wrest power from Aerys II. With the disappearance of dragons, Targaryen control over Westeros is not really backed by anything anymore. So the theory is that the Rebellion was coming anyway and that Lyanna eloping with Rhaegar provided a convenient excuse. There's more to the story, but that's a bare bones version.

There's a strong reason to believe that Rhaegar was pretty close to staging his own coup, and the only reason Aerys showed up at the tourney at Harrenhal was because Varys suspected treason was afoot.

05-29-2019 , 02:41 AM

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Right. That's some of the "more to the story". Rhaegar was likely planning to call a council at Harrenhal to force Aerys II to abdicate, but Aerys foiled this plan by unexpectedly attending the tourney. In some versions of the theory, the Southron Ambitions alliance was planning to support Rhaegar. In other versions, they were going to ambush Rhaegar with an alternative candidate and use their numbers to depose House Targaryen entirely. They had Stark, Arryn, Baratheon and Tully. Hoster Tully was trying to marry Lysa Arryn to Jaime Lannister, if they had House Lannister as well they'd have a majority of Great Houses.

It could go either way. One piece of evidence supporting the idea that the Southron Ambitions alliance were going to support Rhaegar is that Tywin Lannister didn't attend the tourney, which implies that if the intent were ever to integrate House Lannister into the alliance, that this attempt failed.

05-29-2019 , 03:52 AM

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Watched this last night and think I may have found an even worse ending than we saw...

05-29-2019 , 07:51 AM

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Can't tell if you mean you think it's unlikely. I think it's pretty close to a lock to be a thing, but GRRM might not ever join the dots. Might be left as hints.

I think it's very likely (although not the way that is presented by the writer of this article), but it's unlikely to be in the books. It doesn't serve much purpose, and it could only be fleshed out by Bran's visions. I think at the end of the books that it'll be the same as it is now: a very likely but unverifiable theory.

If anything it's a bit of a story convenience that the north and Dorne didn't secede after the death of the last dragon.

It'd be interested if it did get fleshed out somehow, but I just don't see how or why.

05-29-2019 , 10:23 AM

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When Euron killed her dragon and she dive bombs his ship pulling away at the last second it would have made more sense that she flew directly to kings landing from there and killed everyone.

05-29-2019 , 10:43 AM

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of all the videos I've seen destroying the final season (and that's all I've watched on youtube for like a week) this by far is the funniest and most well put together.

Like if you were going to sum up why the last season sucked to someone that doesn't watch the show I would say 'here watch this'

That guy is really good and he produces so many keeping good quality, maybe they should have hired him to write season 7 and 8

06-12-2019 , 07:41 PM

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It occurred to me that even though the Starks clearly "won" the game of thrones, they actually didn't really. In a generation their name will be gone from existence as Bran won't father children and Sansa's/Arya's won't be Starks. Meanwhile Tyrion seems likely to settle down and father children some day (I think there are some other living Lannisters as well), and we all know Aegon Targaryen is going to find an Ygrit 2.0 out there beyond the wall and make some dragon babies.

So really the Targaryen and Lannister legacies will carry on while the Starks were effectively wiped off the face of Westeros. Such was the true story of GoT.

06-12-2019 , 11:18 PM

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...and Sansa's/Arya's won't be Starks.

Sansa's future husband will take the Stark name and so will their children.

That's common in Westeros history when there isn't a male heir, including the Lannister line.

06-16-2019 , 10:58 PM

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Sansa's future husband will take the Stark name and so will their children.

That's common in Westeros history when there isn't a male heir, including the Lannister line.

Also, it's Sansa. So, even if there wasn't precedent, she would just make her future husband do that anyway.

06-19-2019 , 12:18 PM

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After completing a re watch I think Dany was an even bigger POS than Cersei. Even before she snapped.She loved her executions

06-19-2019 , 12:20 PM

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Also, it's Sansa. So, even if there wasn't precedent, she would just make her future husband do that anyway.

Yea because she really wore the pants in her marriage to Ramsey

06-19-2019 , 03:31 PM

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Haven't you heard? Getting raped makes you stronger !!!1

06-22-2019 , 10:12 PM

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So, whatever happened with ilyan Payne? He starts out on Aryas list and then randomly is removed one night when she is reciting names.

06-22-2019 , 11:26 PM

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The actor who played Ilyan Payne received a terminal cancer diagnosis and was written out, however he was misdiagnosed and had a rarer, more treatable form of the cancer, which still required experimental surgery to correct.

However, Arya's list is pretty inconsistent on the show. At one point she adds Melisandre (or "The Red Woman" as she calls her) and then removes her for no reason.

06-23-2019 , 12:16 AM

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The answer is always. “Bad writing”.

06-23-2019 , 12:47 AM

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I had heard something to that effect. Changing actors never stopped them before. I thought the list was from the book anyways. And ah yes the Red Woman. Another good one, but at least we do see an eventual fate for her. Ilyan payne is just forgotten in the entire story, actor with cancer or not.

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The answer is always. “Bad writing”.

Yeah, pretty big oversight though when they literally should have the list in front of them. And again, this was book times, when the show wasnt perma bad

10-31-2019 , 01:29 AM

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At 3PM David Benioff and D.B Weiss #DnD started a session at the #AustinFilmFestival, I am a little late, but will live tweet as soon as I get there. #GameOfThrones

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Someone asked did they go on-line and David said yes. Dan literally said “we were geographically challenged” and the maps were helpful.

so they really bluffed their way through that pitch meeting huh, or it didn't matter bc...

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David is also saying that he went to fan casting pages and that is how they found Jason Mamoa.

so they searched for that but not for...? k

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They are describing their pitch and how nervous they were. They pitched to Carolyn Strauss who has a reputation of being a tough pitch. They were very nervous “because of how bad we wanted.”

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David is describing the pre-meeting with GRRM who was questioning their bona fides and “we didn’t really have any.” We had never done TV and we didn’t have any. We don’t know why he trusted us with his life’s work.”

turns out their qualifications were that they were both rich white bros

"benioff"'s dad was the head of goldman sachs lol

weird how they got the gig for literally no good reason huh

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They talking about the pilot and their friends who they let watch their first attempt at a pilot. One of the people was Craig Mazin (wrote Chernobyl) Scott Frank and Ted Griffin. He acknowledged that the first pilot was basic writing mistakes.

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They acknowledge that they have no idea why after such a dismal pilot why they went forward. “Everything we could make a mistake in, we did.” Script, casting, costume.

oh yeah, and they totally botched the pilot, but hbo plowed forward with them anyway! [for reasons]

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Dan is saying that #GameofThrones was basically an expensive film school for he and Dave. For example, they had no idea how to work with costume designers, and it was a huge learning experience.

oh? how fun!

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Two months before the pilot was to air, the episodes were averaging 39 minutes and HBO made then write and film 100 minutes of scenes to meet their contractual obligations.

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The moderator is asking them about their comments acknowledging they didn’t understand the characters, and the extra minutes helped them understand the characters better.

the extra scenes that *you* wrote helped you understand the characters better? lol, k

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Dan is saying that he let the actors redefined the roles, esp Maisie and they began writing for the actors, it is like the actor moved into the “house” and redecorated. He said he learned about the characters from the actors.

beats doing it yourself i guess
but props to the actors for trying to take ownership of this from these clowns

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The moderator asked why they chose to write all the episodes by themselves: “Because we didn’t know better.” David said HBO wanted them to hire other writers and they decided to have Bryan Cogman, their assistant, write four episodes.

hbo wanted to take the keys away, but couldn't [for reasons]

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Dan wanted to remove as many fantasy elements as possible bc “we didn’t just want to appeal to that type of fan.” They wanted to expand the fan base to people beyond the fantasy fan base to “mothers, NFL players”...

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When we pitched HBO, we promised them that we would downplay the fantasy elements. (Paraphrase)

kool man, great show u did from s6-8
just shivved all the fantasy stuff bc you morans had zero clue what to do with it

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Were you listening to the feedback to your fans as things went along?
Dan: “We really did not.”
Dan doesn’t see the value of considering other people’s reactions.
Dave acknowledged that he googled the show and it upset him. Dan, no.

lol, **** off clowns

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Did you really sit down and try to boil the elements of the books down? Did you really try to understand it’s major elements.
No. We didn’t. The scope was too big. It was about the scenes we were trying to depict and the show was about power.

lol
i mean the show literally opens with frozen zombies killing some ice cops but ok whatever

and the stuff they had to say about power was mostly garbage anyway

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What was your process?
We just started writing. But as things went on we had to outline. Divvied up scripts. They didn’t work together in the same room. One took first half, the other the last half, then they would swap. They gave episodes to Bryan Cogman and David Hill.

ok

anyway, cool that this confirms most of what ppl have been complaining about for a while now

these dudes suck bigly, hopefully they disappear forever, but obv they'll return to make some super terrible **** forever bc that's how failsons do

10-31-2019 , 01:30 AM

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The answer is always. “Bad writing”.

01-10-2020 , 10:57 AM

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does this show still really need it's own sub?

01-10-2020 , 06:31 PM

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There was a time when it did back when bookreaders could spoil stuff. It'll be gone soon enough.

03-01-2020 , 08:17 PM

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72,

Are you implying they had power behind the scenes andbthatscwhy Benioff and Weiss were able to keep chugging alone alone?

05-02-2020 , 02:10 PM

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The Mountain is strong.

Hafthor Julius Bjornsson: Game of Thrones star deadlifts more than any other human in history

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The actor who played the Mountain in Game of Thrones has successfully deadlifted more than any other human in history later.

Icelandic star Hafthor Júlíus Björnsson, who won fans for his portrayal of the towering Clegane brother in the HBO series, deadlifted 1,104 lbs live – that’s 501kg – live.

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