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05-21-2019 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
The more I think about it the less I buy any of this.

You have an all-time war criminal who burned hundreds of thousands to death. When she's assassinated you don't let her main advisers stay on to make all the key decisions for them realm. You execute them.
Ya, that made absolutely no sense at all and in reality there would be extreme tension on both sides and probably more war, not some casual meeting between everyone nonchalantly deciding on a "new king" and everyone going peacefully on their merry way.
05-21-2019 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3
Ya, that made absolutely no sense at all and in reality there would be extreme tension on both sides and probably more war, not some casual meeting between everyone nonchalantly deciding on a "new king" and everyone going peacefully on their merry way.
Dornish guy should've been like "OK and to be clear the last couple of people y'all supported for leadership roles were the lady that burned down King's Landing and the guy currently in prison for murdering that lady, correct? That is of course after those of you who supported the woman who blew up a church betrayed her. I'm with the fat kid, let's open the floor to slightly more options than you morons picking another tyrant."
05-21-2019 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
The raw materials were not there to do a good ending. They had three seasons to set up Dany's heel turn when they KNEW it was coming and they did nothing until like episode 2 this season. (Well, I guess they had her burn the Tarlys, which was supposed to be evil or something, even though every conqueror ever executes people who don't bend the knee.) Endings have to be earned. Making something up and tacking it on always sucks.
There were an infinite number of awesome endings. Jon could have confronted Dany and died trying to kill her. Then she goes around sacking all the kingdoms and murders everyone while having threesomes with Karl Drogo's cousins - then maybe loses in the North when Arya takes the face of Greyworm.

Basically, we just needed a series of events where the writers said what if this happened - what would logically happen next? I don't give a **** who wins or loses as the end. Instead they seemed to literally do the exact opposite.

Was there anyone on Earth who had "Jon Snow would be sent to the Night's Watch" for killing Dany on their bingo card? It's almost intentionally bad.
05-21-2019 , 10:22 PM
What would happen if Jon Snow killed Dany?

Well, he would become King as the heir of the throne.

or

Greyworm would murder him. He would seek vengeance against the North and Snow's family.

Well, what if instead he was sent to the Night Watch and Bran the Broken becomes King?????????????
05-21-2019 , 10:54 PM
It’s just so crazy bad that “Game of Thrones”, a show focused on who gets to rule, had a finale that basically yadda yadda’d a bunch of stuff to give us Bran the Broken.
05-21-2019 , 11:00 PM
05-21-2019 , 11:41 PM
the contrast when you watch youtube clips of seasons 1-4 (or honestly even seasons 1-6 at this point), with what we've just seen go down .. the showrunners watched the show, right?

the yadda yadda bit is spot on. basically yadda yadda'ed 4-5 seasons worth of storylines into 1.5 seasons at best

oh well coulda been dexter
05-22-2019 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
The more I think about it the less I buy any of this.

You have an all-time war criminal who burned hundreds of thousands to death. When she's assassinated you don't let her main advisers stay on to make all the key decisions for them realm. You execute them.
I think Tyrion clearly gets a pass on these grounds. He repudiated her in front of everyone when he threw away his Hand badge after Dany makes her world conquest speech to the troops. At least at that point, if you're Tyrion, you doing this knowing you're a near lock to get executed.

So it ought to have been clear to anyone that Tyrion not only didn't advise her to burn KL, but advised against it, and wanted no part of it.
05-22-2019 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
This is quite possibly the smartest dragon in the world, as it inherently understood that it was the corrupting power of the Iron Throne that led to Dany’s downfall, and not Jon Snow.

Or it’s the stupidest dragon in the world, as it saw a knife in Dany and assumed it was the evil chair made of knives who stabbed her, and then had its revenge. TAKE THAT, KNIFEY CHAIR. MY QUEEN, YOU HAVE BEEN AVENGED.
The imagery felt about as subtle as a sledgehammer.

The writers deserve all the hate they get because the last two seasons have been really bad.

I can't think of many shows I've watched start to finish like this... SG1? Definitely wasn't paying attention to at least a season or two. I get the sense that a lot of shows have unsatisfying endings. Its the nature of the beast, so to say. This was really disappointing though. Some of the earlier seasons were legitimately up there with the best TV of all time.

I'd liken the show to a fine brisket that had been slow cooked for 5 hours, but the kids were ready to eat Right. ****ing. Now. so the brisket gets thrown into the microwave for 30 minutes to finish it.
05-22-2019 , 02:36 AM
The disappointing thing is that the elements were there when they took over to make it have a satisfying ending. Like most shows don't have coherent multi-season character arcs with a planned ending, because most shows are written season to season with no guarantee of renewal.

If D&D were competent, the first thing they would have done when they took over is map out an outline of how characters get where they're going. Like how does Dany turn into someone capable of burning King's Landing? How is Bran going to go from weird tree guy to a plausible king, how do we make that work? The plotting would then be done in such a way as to facilitate those character journeys.

It's very clear what they did instead: their plotting was all centered around creating Cool Scenes. Then they beat the character plots with sledgehammers until those Cool Scenes could happen. Most obvious is the idiotic mission north of the Wall to capture a wight, the sole story purpose of which is to engineer giving their supervillain a zombie dragon.

And I'm not saying the resurrection of Viserion wasn't kind of fun, but it's candy. We were supposed to get an actual meal and D&D just served up 5 courses of candy, then for the finale gave us the raw ingredients for dinner dumped in a bowl. And we're like "um pretty sure you were supposed to cook a dish with this" and they're like "whatever dude I think you'll find all the correct ingredients are in there".
05-22-2019 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
this season was poor to say the least and also a lot of copying other TV/movie **** that casuals liked and I think it worked.
Not sure about this. The final episode is rated 4.5 on imdb, so that's not just fanbois
05-22-2019 , 02:46 AM
Like this kind of dumbfounds me more every time I see it:

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But in the episode’s behind-the-scenes featurette, Benioff and Weiss reveal that her decision was even more abrupt than it seems. They say Dany spontaneously decided to destroy the city when she saw the Red Keep, the King’s Landing castle built by the Targaryens.

“I don’t think she decided ahead of time that she was going to do what she did,” Weiss says. “And then she sees the Red Keep, which is, to her, the home that her family built when they first came over to this country 300 years ago. It’s in that moment, on the walls of King’s Landing, when she’s looking at that symbol of everything that was taken from her, when she makes the decision to make this personal.”
I don't THINK? You're the ****ing writers! If you don't know what Dany's motivation is for the scene, how the hell are we supposed to know?

When Bryan Cranston was cast as Walter in Breaking Bad, he wrote an entire backstory for the character that included that thing where he'd missed out on getting rich earlier in his life. Because for it to be compelling, he needed to be inside Walter's head, to understand him. The GoT showrunners haven't even bothered to nail down what is happening inside the head of a major character in her most pivotal moment of the series. It's amazing. On a competently written show they should be able to write a ****ing essay on that question.
05-22-2019 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
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It's very clear what they did instead: their plotting was all centered around creating Cool Scenes. Then they beat the character plots with sledgehammers until those Cool Scenes could happen. Most obvious is the idiotic mission north of the Wall to capture a wight, the sole story purpose of which is to engineer giving their supervillain a zombie dragon.
The worst conversation was the "how can we have a Sansa queen of the North scene?". So much dumb stuff happened just to create a throwaway clip.
05-22-2019 , 03:55 AM
Arya was trained as a mystical badass assassin that was used in one key scene.
Sansa had to be presented as a cunning leader when her actions had more chances to get her burned than kings landing
John was a moron with no ****ing idea how to lead anything but he was the king of the north.

The stark family declined hard in 8 seasons
05-22-2019 , 04:20 AM
she also killed the freys and made walder eat them
05-22-2019 , 06:11 AM
I guess part of my problem is that in order for me to be satisfied with this ending we needed at least N episodes between the killing of Dany and the selection of Bran the Broken with a bunch of maneuvering/actions of Grey Worm, Tyrion, Sansa, the other families, etc. setting up the meeting.

But they probably can’t write that and still have ‘an exciting twist’ in the final episode. That seems fine to me since a series that covers the politics and process of who gets to rule probably shouldn’t have a surprise ruler at the end. I’d be satisfied with a well written but fairly predictable conclusion at that point. But maybe that isn’t what’s popular?
05-22-2019 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I guess part of my problem is that in order for me to be satisfied with this ending we needed at least N episodes between the killing of Dany and the selection of Bran the Broken with a bunch of maneuvering/actions of Grey Worm, Tyrion, Sansa, the other families, etc. setting up the meeting.

But they probably can’t write that and still have ‘an exciting twist’ in the final episode. That seems fine to me since a series that covers the politics and process of who gets to rule probably shouldn’t have a surprise ruler at the end. I’d be satisfied with a well written but fairly predictable conclusion at that point. But maybe that isn’t what’s popular?
A whole season of politics to figure out what happens to the throne after Dany is killed would be exactly in line with seasons 1-4. It would have been immensely popular. They could have killed some of the old ones off and brought in some new characters and gone for two more seasons, easy.

They wouldn't even have to change much about what happened. I've read some good explanations for why things went the way they did, it's just that there is no chance the writers were really thinking those things through, and even if they were there was absolutely no subtext given in the show to explain those things. Like Sansa being the only one to get independence, or why people accepted Bran, why there wasn't more debate, why the Dorne guy didn't go for independence. There could have been some interesting, logical stories there that we never got to see.
05-22-2019 , 07:37 AM
how is this the bittersweet ending that was promised? more of a happy ending.


jon
got rid of his toxic relationship? check
got out of the job he hates? check
back to banging chicks in caves?(only thing that ever made him happy)? check

cersei
mad queen 1.0
dead

dany
mad queen 2.0
dead

drogon
chillin on an island somewhere

Jamie
i guess he got the worst of it but even he reconciled with the love of his life and got the honor he always wanted

rest all super happy dappy
05-22-2019 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Nobody was banned, genius.
Understand the difference between lost and banned, genius?
05-22-2019 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV

If D&D were competent, the first thing they would have done when they took over is map out an outline of how characters get where they're going. Like how does Dany turn into someone capable of burning King's Landing? How is Bran going to go from weird tree guy to a plausible king, how do we make that work? The plotting would then be done in such a way as to facilitate those character journeys.
What makes it all the more ludicrous is that they've known or should have known since after season 3 that Bran would end up king. They met with GRRM in the summer of 2013 to learn the brushstrokes of the ending. As Benioff said of that meeting, "If you know the ending, then you can lay the groundwork for it. And so we want to know how everything ends. We want to be able to set things up. So we just sat down with him and literally went through every character.”

And so they took that information and....sat Bran out for an entire season, made him a mumbling bore, and laid no groundwork at all for anyone buying into making him king.
05-22-2019 , 11:52 AM
"Sansa is the smartest person I know."

Based on what exactly?
05-22-2019 , 11:57 AM
i cant be king, i am the three eyed raven now. i dont want anything. im not really a normal human anymore.

bran you have a good story. you be king.

that's why i am here.

fml.
05-22-2019 , 11:58 AM
wow, where did all those huge dragon guns come from?

wow, euron killed the dragon on the first shot.

i guess dany wont be able to use it to jsut brazenly conquer territory

oh snap, they dont work anymore.
05-22-2019 , 12:13 PM
05-22-2019 , 04:36 PM
all these little cutsie photos from the GOT set with all the actors goofing around don't play as well when the underlying show sucks

      
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