It's been interesting seeing Bran (in S6 about the slaying of Ser Arthur Dayne) and Jon (in S8 about his parentage) learn that even Honorable Ned Stark lied sometimes.

But neither of those lies were for any kind of personal gain, or even proactive lies. They were reactive and for the greater good of the most people around him (pre-empted by his unwillingness S1 to go after the Targeryens in Essos).

He didn't actively choose to get involved in the mess with Jon, but felt it the best way forward, even if it meant ruining his honour with Cat. Which is honorable within itself.

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For those who don't have the crypts as the best hiding spot for non fighters. Where else would you go? Could you send them all to the Iron Islands in time? And what kind of range does the NK have in terms of raising the dead (haven't watched Hardhome in a while to see how far away NK raised wights from).

Dany said something to the effect of "my whole life my goal has been to sit on the iron throne" in yesterday's episode.

But in season 1 it was her older brother who wanted to be the king. Until he died, Dany was just kind of there. It didn't seem like she really wanted to be the queen.

Also, isn't Jorah supposed to be an outcast of his family because of illegal slave trading? Him and Lyanna Mormont basically just said hi to each other and that was it, no mention of any of the past drama. I guess Lyanna had barely been born when Jorah became an outcast, but still they seemed to completely gloss over it.

I was actually looking forward to seeing how the Jorah thing played out. Unlike all the other boring reunions, it had potential to be interesting.

The way all the characters keep talking about the crypt, it definitely feels like something is gonna happen down there. I hope it isn't just the dead bodies rising from their graves and everybody somehow getting surprised by it.

Not a heap of time to discuss it, and probably not the time when death is literally knocking at the door. That said, the way Lyanna ended the conversation made it seem that Jorah wanted to discuss it, but Lyanna didn't want to have a bar of it (ep 1 Jorah was floating around with Tyrion and Varys a lot).

Ned's gonna come back to life and hesitate when he sees his children. Arya will put her hand on his and whisper, "I know you're still in there, papa." Then he'll fight alongside them before setting himself on fire.

Unfortunately Ned's not buried there. In fact, it seems like at least the last 3 generations of Stark's never made it to the crypt:

(1) Robb - headless somewhere in the Twins
(2) Ned - headless somewhere in Kings Landing
(3) Rickard - pile of ashes in Kings Landing

Littlefinger brought Ned's bones back to Cat. But he might be headless, since Joffrey had put his head on a spike in KL. Also I don't remember if Theon had already captured Winterfell at that point, in which case his bones wouldn't have made it back there.

Rickon was killed by an arrow outside Winterfell right at the start of the BotB, so he might be buried in the crypt.

The writing has often been bad in later seasons but that part between Jamie and Bran I thought was fine. Bran isn't even human anymore and has been bought into the whole "This is what it is I'm meant to be the 3 eyed raven" thing for a while. Him viewing the Jamie shove as something necessary for him to be what he is works for me.

I was worried they would blow it with some idiotic dialogue of Bran saying something like "Yeah, it happened no big deal I'm the 3 eyed raven BUT IF YOU EVER SHOVE ME OUT A WINDOW AGAIN.....GRRRR".

Glad they treated it as inconsequential, in Bran's eyes it should be.

Ugg, don't know how I forgot about that.

Bringing back a headless zombie Sean Bean just to be immediately killed again would be fantastic.

Jorahs badass family sword was given to Jon so he felt bad for him, figured he deserves one

I see others pointed this out, can't delete the post on tapatalk

Jorah: "thank u Sam for this plot armour, er, i mean sword!"

it also makes sense bc of the relationship Sam had with his dad, and LC Mormont
the father he never had
spiritually they're brothers

anyway, he'll prob survive bc of the sword

those Iron Islanders guarding Bran in the godswood for some reason tho? total redshirts lmao
Theon could survive i guess, even though there's no real reason for that
sacrificing himself to atone is kind of a logical arc for him


famous last words: "you'll be safe from the guy who can raise the dead in the crypts!"
lolol get rekt

The theory about the Night King himself going to King's Landing instead of Winterfell is still alive, barely, considering they didn't show him at Winterfell yet.

I'm not convinced myself, but it is kinda interesting that the Night King hasn't been on screen in the first two episodes.

If you're suggesting that he is not with his undead army, and he is riding his dragon down to KL, meh. Bran would know. But, if Bran is tracking them, why are they getting shocking news updates from Tormund & co. when they arrive? For dramatic narrative purposes I guess :shrug:

It would bring the Jaime story arc to a conclusion. In the beginning he was arrogant and vain, but over the seasons he changed, largely because of Brienne reminds him of what it means to be a knight. Them hooking up would cement it to the viewers that Jaime no longers care about Cersei.

Two episodes in a row where almost nothing happens is just taking the piss, and blindly defending this nonsense is silly. At the end of the day this is a fantasy TV show. It’s entirely reasonable to expect to be entertained for an hour instead of watching nothing happen. No other show would get this much leeway from viewers and critics.

The White Walkers are the worst, nothing more than a giant MacGuffin that have got in the way of what made this show interesting. Hopefully episode 3 will dispense with them once and for all, and we can go back to compelling human drama.

One possibility - Bran doesn't want to use his greensight to go near Night King due to the fact that the only other time he did that the Night King was able to sense and mark him.

However, this would raise some questions about how he knew about the dragon at the wall. Maybe there he was safe, since he had some protection being among the Night's Watch.

Of course in the show they don't explain it at all - or similarly why he didn't know about the Lannister army not being on the way.

that was some of the worst TV I have ever seen. so bad i post here for the first time

There is 5 hours and 18 minutes of official run time left by my count (82, 78, 79, and 79 minutes assuming that is accurate -- I've seen other slight variations, add 2 minutes if the last two episodes are actually 80 minutes), under 5 hours when excluding all the opening and closing credits.

Since he got marked he has been warging into ravens and such to spy on him. They showed him do this in 2 episodes last season.

Dick waving scene over Brienne was elite, haters just stop watching imo.

I drank giants milk.

MmmmK, I can make you a knight.

This show is basically Medieval Walking Dead at this point.

Of course you're right and that it really makes no sense why he's not checking up on Night King on the regular.

Ned never told Jon he was his son