I want a wild ending. like the lannisters join the fight to betray the starks/unsullied then dany betrays everyone after somehow hearing who jon is then rules as a mad queen. chaos is a ladder, time is a flat circle, etc

or what if the night king just goes straight to kings landing? the enemies gate is down

The food issue is not that dumb though. If the plan is to group all troops at Winterfell and hold out there - you need a way to provide for those troops. Let's say Winterfell is 10k citizens - the combined army there could be 100k+. I think it was mentioned that there were 100k Dothraki alone (although unclear how many she brought to Westeros). Add in 10k or so unsullied (she bought 8K plus 5k boys, but assume she's lost a decent number in Essos). Then you have about 20-30k knights of the Vale and say 5-10k Northern troops + wildlings, with the possibility of another 20-30k Lannisters coming.

Add in horses and other support units and that is a lot of food needed (food stores that would last a 10k population a few years, would only last a 100k army a few months).

Sure, if the Army of the Dead attacks quickly it's not an issue, but given how much they've been taking their time, it could be quite a while, especially if they attack smaller holdings on their way. The Night King is probably in no hurry, so maybe he wants to take Castle Black, the Last Hearth, Karhold, etc. before heading to Winterfell. Could be months before he arrives. If that is the case, then food may run out if Dany just waits in Winterfell.

Basically, the point that Sansa is (or at least should be making) is that Dany can't just sit indefinitely in Winterfell waiting for the Night King to arrive. If he's not on the way, she would need to ride out and meet him. That said, it looks like he's heading straight for Winterfell, so this is likely a moot point, but I still think it's a valid concern.

I for one would love to see the white walkers win / annihilate everyone / entirety of Westeros engulfed in ice, with the last scene being the Night King sitting in the iron throne.

...maybe with some kind of callback showing that NK is Aegon the conquerer or something like that. Would be ok with the first part, even without this addition.

(But if I remember correctly, NK creation predates Aegon, so maybe not.)

At the end of last season, didn't Frey say he had Edmure still in his cell, or something? When we had the flashback of Arya putting Frey's face on...

So with all the Frey's dead, one has to assume she let out her uncle and Edmure is back at Riverrun.

Writers probably forgot he existed. Another pointless dead end plot.

I don't see it that way.

She was married to Joffrey, her father was executed for treason and her mother was massacred. She had to survive the dissolution of her first marriage and Cersei's scheming. Life at court was still dangerous when she was married to Tyrion. After survining all that she was married to Ramsey Bolton. Littlefinger tried to use her as a marrionette. She not only survives that,too, but comes out on top as Lady of Winterfell.

That's not nothing.

Last we saw of them they were off to Skagos, the land of cannibals IIRC.

Re: Jon’s claim to the throne - where is Howland Reed these days? He would be the only living person with firsthand knowledge of this, right? Otherwise his claim is based on a dragon ride, a stolen diary and the ravings of a pupilless interested party. Sure to be some birthers among the seven kingdoms if that’s their entire body of evidence.

and Sam shouldn't even care about his dad, he hated him

i can buy him caring about his brother though i guess, but that whole thing was pretty dumb

i look forward to the stupidity continuing

can buy this arc too
though yeah she's not the smartest person ever
possible part of it was meant as Arya going HAM defending her family tho

yeah, all the Dany too cray cray to rule is super weaksauce
she's had some wild moments, but usually come off the ledge listening to advisers
not buying it, way more fake drama than anything real
still way better than almost all the leaders in the show

lol, tru

she literally just got there, did they even announce a plan of attack?

Sansa was just being super catty, she seemed downright jelly that Dany is banging Jon

and like Jon said, her objections were stupid because it's like oh you don't want like 150k soldiers & 2 dragons helping out? lol

yeah they really hand-waved explaining why everyone just believes that Bran can see everything

not that i want them wasting a bunch of time doing that, but

Imagine how much Bran has seen. Bet he's seen it all.

yea we can see a justifiable character development from the very beginnin even with neds death, but seein the logic in the chain of events i think the writers at certain points didnt know what to do with her... like them startin to give her power but subsequently placin her on a spot for ramsay to abuse her

Dany might order her dragons to choose between her and Jon and then be surprised that they choose Jon.

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That's all part of the setup to me. She never learns anything about politics by LF in the show, and is just dragged around from point to point. The political intrigue in the Vale is done away with by a scene where LF gives a kid a gift and suddenly the knights ride for WF. She also never outmaneuvers LF. She simply assassinated him after a mock trial, where one of the accusations is even saving Sansa's life. After his death it really makes no sense that she has any control of the knights of the Vale.

I suspect in the books she will spend her time in the Vale learning politics. Now that her time in KL has opened her eyes to what medieval life is truly like, she still needs to learn to navigate politically and control a house. This never happened in the show, right after the setup she was jumped straight to be planting on the throne.

i assume that learning, yes, there are ppl worse than Joff was part of her education


she learned politicking from Cersei & Littlefinger
especially LF in s7

Not to mention Marjorie and Queen of Thorns

In theory the "Sansa is really wise now" makes sense based on what she (could have) learned from Cersei/Tyrion/LF etc
Problem is that the show didn't really portray the development from super naive girl to gameplayer at all

Exactly. Hence the need for some pretty awful exposition, both in concept and delivery.

For example, at no point has a narrator needed to tell us "Cersei is the most cunning person I know" - we know she is because that's how she behaves.

This seems a bit off.

Not arguing that its been handled particularly well, but Sansa has been on screen having experiences, some of which will have stopped her being naive.

Being married to a sadist who is above the law, indeed is the law, probably stops you being naive, and that was the second sadist in her life.

Not sure how it makes you smart though.

Its not been the shows finest hour, but arguing their has been no journey for Sansa seems incorrect imo.

yeah
and i forgot Tyrion, him too of course

she's interacted with a lot of power players, fair to say that she's learned him them all

we don't necessarily need reaction shots of her going "HMM, VERY INTERESTING!" every time she gets a lesson to understand this to be the case

Sansa is one of my least favorite characters, but to suggest that we have not witnessed her go through numerous experiences that would change her from naive young lady to a cynical schemer is just totally off the mark.

The point is that if she is as intelligent as we are now lead to believe, she wouldn't have lurched from one bad decision to another during the first 7 seasons.

While this may be true that she is no longer naive and now is a schemer, nothing they have shown us establishes that she is a good schemer, much less the smartest person in Westeros. She may not be a naive idiot anymore, but we've yet to see anything particularly intelligent from her. The closest she came is telling Jon not to do what Ramsey wants him to do, and realizing that she must turn to LF for help, but then she negates much of that by not telling Jon about LF.

If Arya were to have simply said that Sansa isn't the naive spoiled girl you once knew, that would be fine, but asking us to believe she is now on the LF/Cersei level of schemer is a step too far.

I can live with that critique. I don't think any of the Starks have been shown to be smart other than, maybe, Arya.

or, Maybe Aria is just being hyperbolic

They kill each other actually. I dreamt that the other night .