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05-03-2016 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RoundTower
Right, I think the theory makes perfect sense, I'm just asking what happened in the flashback to make it more likely. Is it just the fact that Lyanna gets shown at all? And shouldn't otherwise be relevant to the show?
The flashback itself doesn't make it more likely. But the fact that the show is bothering to introduce us to Lyanna makes it more likely that she is important, and the only way that really makes sense is as Jon's mother.
05-03-2016 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by thefinchster22
Did the Jon Snow resurrection thing come from book readers? I know it didn't happen in the books yet, but everyone was so convinced that it started to feel less like a prediction and more like common knowledge. There were reasons to predict it from the show alone for sure, but it felt to me like it was inside info and essentially a spoiler.

I will say this there is a bookreader spew going on in the real world more than on here, in fact we are "fairly clean" compared. The only way to truly isolate yourself is stay away from reading any GoT anything.

I will PM you the answers and anyone else who wants to know just ask.
05-03-2016 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ScoopThaPoop
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why mod a thread if this gets through? its not a big deal and was sorta assumed from the show; but what is up with allowing confirmation with a link to something that is speculation
Because its just speculation and theroy , again I'd rather it be spoiled but its the public internet which I've always claimed is fair game. You can argue that people will link book **** in that case, you are right they might! if they do they will be banned until book 7 comes out ( as Ive stated) but stuff like this which is purely show based and 6 months old, while again I prefer in a spoiler, is nothing I care to much about.
05-03-2016 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
What Books, what crap?

George has said in interviews that if he could re-write the books he'd change some of the storylines. Maybe this season is part of his revision?
correct Show runners arent just firing from the hip here , some of it's TV but from what I know the story still has to go through GRRM
05-03-2016 , 04:41 PM
Am I misremembering, or have we not seen Gendry in like forever? He's still alive last we saw right? I'm trying to think who has the incentive to want to find him and reveal him. I guess maybe little finger or something?
05-03-2016 , 04:48 PM
In one of the behind the scenes featurettes they mentioned that George Martin picked the showrunners because they correctly guessed Jon Snows lineage, and that they do indeed run the diverging plotlines through him. They also supposedly know which direction he wants to end it in case he dies before it's all said and done.
05-03-2016 , 05:11 PM
I think we might not see Gendry again.
05-03-2016 , 05:27 PM
Yea I see no point in Genry reappearing. Other than to wife the no-name assassin.
05-03-2016 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WoodsGOAT
I think we might not see Gendry again.
Is he not basically the closest thing to the true heir to the throne? Seems kind of pointless that he live and then not come back in play. Better to cut his head off in spectacular fashion if he's never to be in line to be king.
05-03-2016 , 06:55 PM
Bastards are never 'heir's to the throne. Only adopted sons or true born sons. That's why the scenes with Ramsay and Lord Bolton where he 'adopts' Ramsay and gives him the name Bolton are so important. Without that Ramsay is just another Snow.
05-03-2016 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.mmmKay
Bold prediction: next episode the dragons are gonna free their mother
I think the dragons kill Danys translator girl next, if Tyrion is actually a Targ.

Tyrion asks her specifically if the dragons have ever hurt her and she says no, but the reason could be only because Dany was present. Drogon after all did crisp a small girl.

When Tyrion went into the lair the dragon was a moment away from roasting him,but stopped for some reason.

Unless the dragonfire in the trailer was only there to mislead, then someone gets toasted under there
05-03-2016 , 08:48 PM
And also because the dragons didn't leave when Tyrion released the chains,so it seems some more is gonna happen down there and it probably won't be to show happy dragons eating again They're still locked up.
05-03-2016 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kcaw
And also because the dragons didn't leave when Tyrion released the chains,so it seems some more is gonna happen down there and it probably won't be to show happy dragons eating again They're still locked up.
I assumed there was some other way out. Could the dragons even fit through the door that Tyrion and Varys entered?
05-03-2016 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
Bastards are never 'heir's to the throne. Only adopted sons or true born sons. That's why the scenes with Ramsay and Lord Bolton where he 'adopts' Ramsay and gives him the name Bolton are so important. Without that Ramsay is just another Snow.
Why were they (the Lanisters) so concerned about his existence then? And in theory if the current king is actually not the true king (since he's not from Robert), and if Stanis and Renly are dead, isn't the bastard the closest thing to a true blood link to the throne? He's the only thing even close to Robert's blood that I can think of.
05-03-2016 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by It's Brandt
I assumed there was some other way out. Could the dragons even fit through the door that Tyrion and Varys entered?
I wondered the same thing about the size of the door. But ifTyrion truly released them we would have had a nice scene of them flying away right then. It doesn't make sense to show their escape later out of some backdoor.
05-03-2016 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Why were they (the Lanisters) so concerned about his existence then? And in theory if the current king is actually not the true king (since he's not from Robert), and if Stanis and Renly are dead, isn't the bastard the closest thing to a true blood link to the throne? He's the only thing even close to Robert's blood that I can think of.
I think part of the point of the children's killing is to establish that Joffrey was brutal and crazy and that Cersei did not have control over him. The whole reason Joffrey was assassinated was because of how much everyone hated him. The public killing of all those babies did not sit well with anyone.
05-03-2016 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
I think part of the point of the children's killing is to establish that Joffrey was brutal and crazy and that Cersei did not have control over him. The whole reason Joffrey was assassinated was because of how much everyone hated him. The public killing of all those babies did not sit well with anyone.
So who is the current true blood heir?
05-03-2016 , 10:02 PM
Depends what lineage line you think is legitimate. Right now there's the Targ line, The Baratheon line, and the Lannister (cloaked as Baratheon) line.

Usurpers are eventually recognized as the legitimate rulers after ~ a generation. Take a look at Medieval England for example.

Robert has no legitimate sons and both of his brothers are dead. Tommel is a Lannister Usurper, if there were any way of actually proving this. For all practical purposes he's the third Baratheon king.

The Targ line would depend on Dany and if Jon is a legitimate son.

I'd guess Jon is the True Blood heir to the Targ lineage, but that's just my speculation.
05-03-2016 , 11:12 PM
Doggz,

Thanks for writing that up on Jon Snow. Got my memory going well.

Also the old guy at the nights watch was like his grandfather right?
05-03-2016 , 11:18 PM
Great Uncle?, not sure how many generations they would have been apart.
05-03-2016 , 11:31 PM
Dany is on the Targ side for sure.

I assume there is a distant Baratheon relative out there that is the heir to that line, but it's irrelevant since Tommen is considered legitimate.
05-03-2016 , 11:38 PM
If Jon is a legitimate son of Raegar and Lianna he'd be the Targ heir I think.
05-04-2016 , 02:30 AM
I wonder if Jon is released from his vows that he took until his death.

Seems clear that bastards can have some claim to succession if there are no legit heirs left. Not sure what would have happened to Ramsey if Roose had died before legitimising him - maybe there's a brother or someone else who hasn't been in the picture.
05-04-2016 , 05:25 AM
on vows: "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. ..." Seems clear that Jon's watch is ended and he's free to leave the wall. That's kinda been the whole reason for him dying and coming back alive, right?
05-04-2016 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Why were they (the Lanisters) so concerned about his existence then? And in theory if the current king is actually not the true king (since he's not from Robert), and if Stanis and Renly are dead, isn't the bastard the closest thing to a true blood link to the throne? He's the only thing even close to Robert's blood that I can think of.
I think they were concerned about killing all of Robert's bastards because of the whole "the seed is strong" thing. Every bastard had hair of black. Jon Arryn and Ned were close to making this case public --"Look at how 100% of Robert's bastards have black hair and how none of Cersei's kids do."

      
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