I got an offer to play on Chinese app called Oh Poker (former 13 Poker) which is very similar to PokerMaster, and supposedly way fishier. I was backed so I had no risk and we had a 50-50 profit sharing deal, under which I won 293K CNY, so 146.5K for both of us. I cashed out 100K. I played exclusively heads-up NLHE and PLO.

After that I negotiated a new deal, 80-20 to my favor, but I also cover 80% of losses, during which I quickly lost 200K CNY, so 160K on my own and 40K on my backer/manager.

So overall, with this deal, i'm down about 13.5K on this room and my backer/manager is up 106K. Now if this were normal room there wouldn't be any problem, I negotiated this 80-20 deal myself etc. But the thing is, we have a chat of like 6 heads-up players and everyone of us have quitted this room with strong suspicion of superusers or worse.

Anyway, I trust the guy, he is not Chinese so he probably doesn't have very direct connection to owners and doesn't know more about the room really than I do, and currently I'll pay him because suspicion doesn't mean nothing and he had to pay to them.

But the question is, if some day it will come out somehow that this app was indeed rigged, does it sound okay that I ended up with 13.5K loss while he made 106K or should we re-negotiate it somehow? Should he have extra responsibility as manager/agent, even though we never discussed something like that happening?

? You got greedy. You lost. You made the deal, live with it.

Next time stay staked, play risk free and continue printing money imo.

I know this isn't the point of your post, but the deal you negotiated was horrible. You went from getting 50% of the profits with no exposure, to 80% of the profit with huge exposure. For the extra 30% upside you gave 80% of the downside. Bad deal.

To answer your question, you can't renegotiate now.

Are you being the entirety of the "OMG rigged" theory on losing?

As for the deal... Lol.

No you can't renegotiate. Think about that. Nah, it's cool I'll eat 80% of the losses...
Then when you lose you want to renegotiate? Why you would agree to eat 80% of the losses in the first place is baffling. What's the point of a stake if you're absorbing most of the loss?

Why are you trying to give advice if you don't even have a clue how basic staking works? You don't start from new page every single day. I was up 293K before new deal so if I were to lose that amount, 50% would've been my losses. New deal enhanced both my profits and my losses by 30% which is no-brainer awesome deal if you have decent winrate and bankroll.

The point of this thread isn't randomly renegotiating a new deal because I lost, the question is if my agent should have extra responsibility if it came out that I was put in rigged games.

hey OP that’s a tough spot, can you go into more detail about what the other players said regarding superusing? What made them all think there was something going on?

They never let you cash out?

They do, but if you win for example 300K, cashout 150K, then proceed to lose 300K then you have to pay back your share of 150K. You don't start from fresh page just because you cashed out.

I think you’re the one who doesn’t know how staking works.

So you think it starts from fresh page every time you cashout? You are under 50-50 deal, cashout 300K, 150K to both of you, then proceed to lose 300K you think you owe nothing, just 300K in make-up?

If you know any stakers who let you freeroll from fresh page after cashing out, let me know!

I know 13 is the app with the most collusions for the 8max game. Even the host tells you to vpn and play multiple account cause everybody is doing it lol. But for the HU, super user idk.

Have you ever heard about win poker? Player who try it? Did they win? It's been almost 2 years I play Chinese app and it the first time I feel someone is straigt stealing money from my pocket. I play over 400 games in really soft line up on that app and I'm down a lot. Would be curious if anyone feels the same as me. I play so many weird hands. Just curious, maybe I'm stupid and its only variance.

lol

I've never staked or been staked, but from the reading I've done over the years, I'd have said that the list would be very long, and may include every staker except yours. I've never heard of a horse having to pay back part of a cashout, but maybe this is common and I'm just not aware of it.

What you describe here is the industry standard. For the deals I offer if you had 300k profits and did a 300k cashout @50/50 split(150k to backer and 150k to horse). If you then lost 300k your makeup figure would be 300k and you would still retain the 150k profits from before. Everyone I’ve ever known who offers makeup deals operates the exact same way.

That's a bad policy because it really incentivizes any horse who is up a lot, and hence is probably a good horse, to find a new backer. Because with the new backer they would start from 0 and only accumulate makeup upon losing, even if the new backer had the same policy.

Idk if thats directed at me but if so how does that incentivize a horse to find a new backer?

That post had me confused as well, until I realized it was directed at OP.

The bad policy I am criticizing is winnings being clawed back on losses instead of simply accumulating makeup. When the horse switches to a new backer he has no winnings to be clawed back and so can only accumulate makeup.

Ok agreed. Never even heard of this type of deal tbh.

I think if it was to come out that the app was rigged or had superusers etc and that was 100% confirmed by the app then I would suggest speaking with the staker, but otherwise I think you're in a jam.