he was not bad, just avg

i have turned tons of avg players in to good/top players

With how I run my stable if you do as I ask that is where you will end up. The top

Of course some guys can't be bothered to do what you ask them to do. Then the problems start, he is one of them

You would have a point with some backers. They take on average horses and just send them money, that is it (that is bad for the backer and the horse in time)

I work around the clock to get these guys to improve. They have no excuse at all

Some times I am a bit pushy, e.g always making sure they are working of the tables and doing spot checks on them, getting them coaching etc

But the guys that want to make it thank me and of course the lazy ones don't like it. They just want to click buttons on the hope they will get lucky

As I say there is no such thing as easy money, you want it you need to earn it

Pre chops and loans are not the same.

e.g. 60/40 deal for 1000 pre chops. Backer cash out 400, horse cash out 600 and 1000 add to the make up. Pre chops are future winnings!

If this was a loan, freju could have 5000 make up and 7200 in loans. 600 loans per month for 12 months is 7200
And demitri didn't make any profits of the future winnings.

So they have both cash out!! Do not only blame freju only using the make up money!

Also, anybody should start a stable and put horses in high games and when they are in huge make up just drop them to recover slowly in micro's.

FREEROLLING!

Grind him from his butt up and tell him to perform..!!

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As every post in this thread, wrong

Why would I want a horse in micros when he can beat higher stakes?

That will cost me loads of money

Maybe I can't afford to put him back in higher stakes?

Wrong, i back over 40 horses some play up to $1,000 MTTs. MU wise he would be the least of my worries

The reason he has been dropped has been stated in this thread and the old one many times now. It is the same reason you are nearly a break even player now

The pre chops are not good for me, I would prefer if EVERY horse gets out of MU before they chop profits. But as you read in the thread even if a horse is in tons of MU I still offer a pre chop deal to help them out

Good for them, not great for me

You guys need to wake up, this is not about poker. This is just life, you work hard at your job you move up, if you don't you will get moved down

The crazy thing is and my mistake here is I was letting him have chops when he was not earning them. Me being to nice, that back fired I know

I built my whole stable from $2 180s back in the day, I know what it is like to grind. I played 18 hours+ a day 7 days a week until I got enough money to back a few players. The rest is history

Some of you guys I can't help but laugh at, this year I have not had ONE day of. So many of you want all the money, but want to work part time for it or just steal

Time to grown up dude. The days of clicking buttons for a few hours a days for 100% ROI are over

it is time to put up or shut up and really earn your money

(edit:for the people that still don't get it, ALL horses have incentives to move up stakes even if they are in 50k mu at low stakes. You have targets, e.g once we get to 45k mu games go up 40k mu games go up etc etc until u are back at higher levels. This only works with study of the table to!)

demetri is ravaging this thread.

well said. horse got given opportunity after opportunity after opportunity and just spat in your face at every chance.

STOP!
I told several people that the thought of stealing from my backer has crossed my mind, I just been smart enough to not tell other pokerplayers. I even stopped playing live-rebuy events with very few exceptions, since I don't get receipts for that.
to proof.

I bet my ass that the horse did never and will never steal, simply due to the fact that he mentioned that he had that thought about it to someone who knows Demetri. You realize it yourserlf now, right? Please try to make sense before saying something like the quoted. You are the bets mod on this forum, so please reasearch and rethink even more before üposting. No offense, and 1000 thanks for PM exchange few months ago. You are the best. Ooops, no, that was ASJbaaaf.... sorry, I mistaken you young-mod-guns....

Horse is just lazy as ****, but I am 99% sure he won't ever steal. I mean, logic and sense, yunno!?!?

If Demetri can motivate the lazy dude to do something, I feel quite confident in variance letting him ship something big soon. Gipsy needs to get to work seriously, though

This!



All you simple-minded wankers dunno how mentally fatiqueing it is to be in 5 figure make-up (learn emphaty, you wankers!!!)



Dimi, if you dont move him up - or back to MTT's - very quickly after he starts going to work, you are doing it wrong. Just allow Hots, ffs!

Cheers, I'll stop now

what the **** are you blabbering about? theres no way you comprehend english well enough to be attemping to converse in it

[QUOTE=TooRareToDie;48647665]STOP!
I told several people that the thought of stealing from my backer has crossed my mind, I just been smart enough to not tell other pokerplayers. I even stopped playing live-rebuy events with very few exceptions, since I don't get receipts for that.
to proof.

I bet my ass that the horse did never and will never steal, simply due to the fact that he mentioned that he had that thought about it to someone who knows Demetri. You realize it yourserlf now, right? Please try to make sense before saying something like the quoted. You are the bets mod on this forum, so please reasearch and rethink even more before üposting. No offense, and 1000 thanks for PM exchange few months ago. You are the best. Ooops, no, that was ASJbaaaf.... sorry, I mistaken you young-mod-guns....

Horse is just lazy as ****, but I am 99% sure he won't ever steal. I mean, logic and sense, yunno!?!?



Because that is something you do, That DOES NOT mean Someone else thinks the same way you do.
I would agree that a Smarter person would mention that to someone Not involved with poker period.
but to be quite honest OP doesn't strike me as a smart guy.


Also am i the only one who thinks OP not having English as his first language really screwed this up more than anything?

also don't understand how volume is hard for him? he seems like he has a good understand of the 180s... Shouldnt be difficult for him to put in 1k games + profit no problem

Demitri, why don't you ask 1 of your horsses posting here for you and where is your stable manager? Lier Lier Lier Lier

And what has that got to do with current situation?
Are you completely ******ed or are you purposely trying to derail the thread?
Either you are OPs pet puppet or have a personal vendetta against Demitri

As for the OP
Who do you think is going to back you with your current work ethics?
If you do get backed do you expect to get prechops?
What do you think is going to happen one year down the line?

Do you ****ing realise what golden opportunity you had/have?
You got paid for doing literally nothing
Where would you have been today without the prechops?

Man up and start working
Otherwise a year down the line you will end up posting again same situation different backer.

+1 Spot ON ( but You're the wankers)

I just learn about backing and staking,but I know a lot about contract/agreement and etc

Honestly IDGAF about the horse why would I have to empathize for him (I don't know him)

Its simple..the horse didn't perform..the owner did or made some adjustments within the boundary of the agreement and we all expect the horse done his part too..(if you are in the position of the owner/investor I am sure you'll agree with this)..Cabbies? Or Cabbage?

If the horse didn't satisfied with how the investor treatment, he should've join the Union

PS. And I am not yet start on the breaching the contract/agreement done by the horse there..



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everybody thinks im lazy but i had a job from the month may till end of september.Demetri has stop giving me prechop so i cant play fulltime.If i play for him and i Breake even or losing end of the month i don t have money to pay food ,bills and rent.So thats why i havent put volume.Just last month,october,i lost my job so i have no choice to play again.I start playing fulltime since october,only because he didnt reload me for 3 days i was angry again because its not the first time i have to wait so long because demetri want me to stay online when he is free.So this time i told him i cant risk to play and not be sure can make profit at end of the month.So i ask him to play what i had in contract to have a chance to make some profit (MTTS and higher sng 180s),but he dont want then i have no choice.So i will find a job now and when im better financial i will be back and grind the makeup. End story

Please don't start me of again. You are so lazy on and of the tables. Even if people here where to believe between May and Sept you could only play 2,000 games (180 mans) because you where working how do you explain only playing just over 2,000 games from Jan to May this year? (when you where meant to be full time poker)

You know and I know you are very lazy, you said it to many how many times? every month you would say I am sorry I will stop being lazy and fix this etc etc

You where given the correct advice, offered coaching, offered software, help from other stable members (they got sick of you and deleted you btw because they thought you where lazy). You had cash incentives, e.g even in MU you can still have money at the end of the month if you make some profit

You know if you used my resources and my advice you would be able to move back up slowly and get paid in the process, instead you did none of the above and now you are paying the price

You forget I know what it takes to make it, it is not easy. I was once backed for low stakes like you, then I built this all up from a $1,000 bankroll on my own. It is very hard for me to feel sorry for players/horses like you

Some guys do have a rough ride, they work every hour under the sun and don't go any where. Due to bad luck, bad advice etc etc. Like a dog chasing there tail, working so hard but going no where

But then you have people like you, you don't work hard so you don't go any where. I will always have a problem with people that want it all, but can't be bothered to work for it. They see stealing or begging as there best option, not working

How does he got a backer and me not? :/

@TRTD i had 50k swing once, on a staking deal. And u know what i did? I worked my ass off after my backer told me to skip some high variance reggy trnys. I just managed to get out off a 100k swing, my own money. And u know how? I lowered the stakes again, and grinded through it.

Im pretty sure alot of people who posted here ITT had same stuff happened to them also. So yeah we know how frustrating it is, but only thing u can do is study and work your ass off on lower stakes!

You are still not answering a single question

What happened before and after job? Why was the volume low?
Why was there no volume?
How many hours a day are u putting in off the table work on your game?
What will you do when make up goes to 40-50K at higher ABI?

Do you realise when horse drop down till 180 man $2,50 and 3,00 horse lose motivation???????????????????????????????????????? ????????

From April 2014 onwards demitri put vreju in slavery mode

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...DBA53.html?t=2

God you are making it look worse for him, lol

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As you can see from this chat and of course I can post loads more to confirm this, even better I can have 2+2 mods look over my skype via team viewer etc. It went down like this (read the skype chat above, what else could that mean, lol!)

I asked for a random audit, he then tells me there is cashouts I do not know about (SEVEN of them!)

Cashouts that I did NOT agree on (THAT IS STEALING)

The amount was $170 NOT $20!

Also might I add he refused to send the audit, he only sent the audit after I said I was going to go public!

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So as you can see via the skype chat he cashed out without asking, of course that is stealing you idiot

Him putting it back when I caught him makes it ok and not stealing?

REALLY?

Would he have put it back if I had not caught him? Of course not

As far as you saying he was in micro games etc I kept putting him back in MTTs up to $16 up to $22 etc and what did he keep doing?

Got lazy and vol dropped of and even more important no study at all, AGAIN i have skype logs to prove this

So you have someone that is lazy, they keep begging for cashouts because they need money each month. Also they stole in the past, so you put them in low variance games until they prove themselves. Did he ever do this, no

Vol was only half the problem with him, there where more problems as stated above.

So with you posting more it has just highlighted in this thread that he did 100% steal from the stake. Not to mention he told another horse he was going to steal from me AGAIN because times are hard etc

Let me guess you want me to get that horse to post here? lol, like I have not proved everything else up to now

btw where in Sweden are you from?

@meatballz U idiot, thats how staking works! u either win at the stakes agreed on, or u get dropped down until u prove u can beat those low stakes and then move up. Its a standard!

I dunno why Mod haven't close this thread.. Because it simple cut case (personal)problem..(or worker & employee)

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you piece of sh... PUT ALL THE CHAT LOGS ! you search all for 1 year and you didnt find nothing! and you write me ALL OK ! (that money was send for Runitonce and coaching to no10nostr8) I DIDNT STEAL YOU ANY $ ! Why you lie in front of all people? You started to talk **** then and btw I HAVE 24hours to give you AUDIT conform contract(i did in 1h)

Timestamps of your Skype is not right. Put whole Skype or let mod check your Skype logs.

You know Defamation is a crime???

https://www.eff.org/nl/issues/blogge...ity/defamation

You lowered the stakes and recover the loss on SM 4th place man,not on 3+r 180s for rest of your life.