don't really think you are in the wrong here dimitri

just one remark, and obv it's your policy, but moving a guy down when he has a breakeven stretch/losing stretch (from like 35$ to 3$) is a bit of a harsh move. that's the only thing that bothers me somewhat. think of it like this: someone who is playing b109 b55 b75 h55 etc everyday, and he got into 20k make up, and suddenly you say: "enough is enough, i'll move you down and you can only grind 2 or 3$ sng until you clear make up" obv guy is gonna be upset, and it usually doesn't work like that. doing this temporarily to rebuild confidence etc might be fine, but at one time you should move him up again if he is putting in the work again. that's all i want to say.

think you have been very generous with pre cuts etc, so guy has just to show he is willing to put in the work obviously. sharkscoping him, he only avg'd 400 games/month since the previous thread, so that's obv ridicilous.

exactly

Guess this is the point.

Sounds like you have a amazing track record of success when you are making your living off poker players hard work. Every one of these problems you have had have been huge public affairs with you doing your nut if they buck the trend and don't print money for you.

Maybe you should learn to accept that 1% of your horses wont work out and write it off without making a huge issue of it. 1% problem rate in this business is like a miracle btw.

Just to show you exact proof of what I am talking about

he made this thread in may ....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...dvice-1533598/

people saw through him and basically said man up and start working hard

He came back to me on skype and said he is sorry and will work hard etc

I said if he did what I wanted from him he would get more pre chops and his games would slowly go up etc

Since May this is what he has done ....

2,442 games with $150 profit at low stakes and barley any work of the tables

I test them with homework etc asking them to run hands etc etc. He failed every time

There is only one person to blame here and it is not me. If he wants to make money all the tools are there for him to pick up and make it

This lazy clown hasn't even turned up to work yet, let alone picked up the tools

Shocking he thinks he can make a thread on this and look good (very angry)

I have done so much for him btw, even some of the better guys in the stable tried to help him. He has thrown it all back in our faces

Sorry buddy, doing my nut?

where, when?

I did not make this thread, I was about to make one on him in the neg feed back

All I have done is tried to help him, I have done nothing wrong here. Yes I went mad in the past when 30k+ was stole from me. Wouldn't you?

But here I have said or done nothing wrong

CAN YOU PROVE THIS ? If u are right i m coming back and i will recover day/night all the mu at 2.5 180s. I didnt steal any $ from him guys,he is lying,i had 24h to give him the audit(conform contract) and i did.He apologize to me after hours of searching nothing in audit.

^^

Was referring to the screenshots of you calling him a fool, stupid and a bad poker player. Regardless of whether he is or isn't way to beat a man down and hurt your chances of ever getting any money back.

Oh and lazy employees usually get the sack early on. Don't keep them employed and pay them (pre cashouts) for a year and hope they will change their work ethic.

Agree you have been very reasonable in this thread in the public eye.

It is not $3 MTTs btw, it is $3 180 mans for the reasons I said

Which all make sense, for him and me!

Fair enough, but you see the end of the chat right

Not the years of me helping him and then him being rude and swearing etc at me because of his lazy ways

So of course I swear back a little and go into one

He is now saying to me on skype that he did not steal, he borrowed money! lol

As I said I have all the skype logs to prove this

It played out like this, I did a random audit. Some money was missing, he said it is fine I cashed out the money and my friend is paying me back

But then he refused to send an audit (i got the audit in the end with threats of going public)

He blamed his friend saying his friend should of sent the money straight back after he cashed out my money. My point was he only got caught because I did the audit and btw taking money without asking even if it is for 1 min 1 hour or 1 day is stealing!

He sent the money back in the end, but if i never did the audit would he have sent it back?

Demetri stop trying to defend urself, everyone in their right mind knows ure right and the horse is wrong...

There is tons more on this, but I am sure you get the picture by now

I am just making a point that he was very tough to deal with for many reasons. Not just being lazy etc

You say that, but look at the thread title!

I pay to have a advert here on 2+2. Having a thread floating around with this title is not fair. I have treated this guy well and given him so much help.

Of course I blow up when someone steals etc and of course I get angry at this type of horse when I invest so much time via coaching/advice/money etc

So I do feel I have to fight my corner when someone tries to angle me like he is, with a thread like this

looks like youve been way more than fair with this guy, if he stole from you i think he should owe you any loans you gave him as well

cheers for changing the thread title

would it be to much to ask to change the title to "horse steals and is lazy but wants a freeroll" ?

Let`s start from the beginning and will leave you to think it .The deal started on 23 sept 2013 and i didnt do so well first 2 months,i lose 3-5k$ and then he began to put pressure on myself every day.5000$ loss when i play 35$ sng 55$MTT and 215$ SM is not so much.60 buyins in any MTT is a very common variation ,good regs have 200buys ds.After that he drops me to play micros because i cant beat the games.
It was unfair to do that without any sample of games.He didnt give me the opportunity to show that i a hard worker.From the start he thinked im a weak player.Its almost impossible to recover a lose by playing on microstakes,70-80 buyins its something normal.Why i need to recover 800 buyins at sng 10$ if i lose 70buyins on midstakes?

LOL, what a load of rubbish. This was horse defending players that don't turn up for coaching (btw 95% do, the lazy ones don't. Guess who they are?)

The horse above we both get on really well and he has been with me for years. He was making silly comments, that I called stupid

Horses that don't turn up to coaching would get in trouble, we had a dispute about it

Of course I get pissed when a coach costs $250 per hour and someone misses it. Means we lose the money and lose the coaching session

Nice try you fool

(this post was replying to some troll posting some BS on me. it got deleted)

post from your real acct meatbalz and use screenshots if youre going to show chat

What are you going on about, lol

You got moved down slowly because of many reasons. Stealing money and playing 200-400 games per month with no study did not help your case (200-400 games at low stakes btw!)

The make up is so high because a long time ago I would give you pre chops on the promise you would work hard in the near future. It never happened

I have explained to you in person and and here as to why you are in the wrong

well it is his money, he can do what he wants with it as long as it doesnt breach your contract you have with him.

correct comment, but in no way do I use the contract to take the piss

it is the other way round, this horse is a 100% piss taker. So you have these strict contracts to protect you from bad horses like him

When you give what I give to my horses and they work hard we never run into these problems. So I don't need to do xyx in the contract to punish them

Also in this case playing lower is better for him anyway. He needs lower swings and money each month. Which he can get from 180s mans

MTTs will be a problem for him to say the least, not to mention he does not work on his game so that will increase his swings

I'm not a horse. Never been in the groupchat so i can't screenshots the chat. Maybe ask demitris fake stable manager to make a screenshot of the Skype chat. He lied having a stable manager to get unbanned from the 2+2 Marketplace. He have not change at all!!!!!!!

meatballs pls dont speak, ure just making it worse. Same for vreju. Your staker loans u money so u can pay bills and this is how u thank him? Grow a pair of balls and stop crying.

It says specifically in contract that u have to play lower if the staker decides u need to. I think the best solution is to apologize for this pathetic attempt u tried to make to smear the name of your staker and start putting in volume to get out of MU

this thread gave me a headache, demetri why did u stake him in the first place if hes so bad?

nice try buddy, but you obviously have not read the entire thread

I have done nothing wrong I have actually been wronged (he has saved me writing a neg feed back post on him, ty)

I think I know who you are (mask that IP address buddy)

The problem with you guys is you want a free ride in life and every time you don't get it you blame the world

I have backed current/past tons of top players that with my hard work I put into them and there hard work they have made good money. But of course there will be a few players like you guys that are lazy and always breaking rules and always broke

Who is to blame?

The lazy horse who never studies and plays bare min games?

or the backer who supplies the funds the best cuts the best coaching the best software etc etc ?