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08-18-2014 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
Since Zach now has to live with all the damage done to him by Tomas's reaction to him not paying, why would he pay?
Because he owes the money, lol. No need to further discuss, you just don't get it.
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08-18-2014 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
It's not that I think Zach doesn't owe it because Tomas was being an *******. It's this specific reaction. This does real damage to Zach, this damage can't be undone. Even if the thread came down today and/or Zach paid today, his reputation would still be demolished. Since Zach now has to live with all the damage done to him by Tomas's reaction to him not paying, why would he pay? It seems like paying Tomas twice. Why should he get his revenge and his money?
it's a win/win, really. honest people learn not to deal with the scammer zachary parker and he himself learns a valuable lesson not to steal money from others. this thread also hopefully deters other scumbags from walking the path of douchebaggery that zachary parker chose.

his reputation is ruined because he stole $4k from someone. please explain to me how that isn't fair to him?
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08-18-2014 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by El P
i think we need photos of zach itt in case he tries to scam anyone in person under an alias

edit: i'm pretty sure i found some. the fb for 'zachary parker marrietta georgia' is unblocked and he lists his past job as poker. also lists his current employer. i'm sure they'd be interested to hear what kind of character this guy is.

mods with permission i'll put up the pics
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Originally Posted by kartinken
Wow, you are a literal psychopath. And I mean literal as in literal, not figurative.
I have the photos as well. Won't post them, but If anyone is researching Zach and needs to see if it's the same Zachary Parker can PM me.
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08-18-2014 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
I have the photos as well. Won't post them, but If anyone is researching Zach and needs to see if it's the same Zachary Parker can PM me.
Does he have squinty, beady eyes like most poker scammers?
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08-18-2014 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by nahh12
yep pontylad's post means you just got the go-ahead.

Post pics and msg his current employer pls. Destroy his rep and ruin his life pls.
It certainly does not mean this. There is also no need for that right now, hopefully this matter can still get resolved before coming to that.

I have no idea who you should contact about that, probably the mod of this forum and they would likely have to get the ok from someone higher up.

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Originally Posted by kartinken
I have seen zero posts in this thread indicating to me that anyone here has a greater understanding of what is right and what is wrong than I do.
And just reposting this for lols.
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08-18-2014 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
It's not that I think Zach doesn't owe it because Tomas was being an *******. It's this specific reaction. This does real damage to Zach, this damage can't be undone. Even if the thread came down today and/or Zach paid today, his reputation would still be demolished. Since Zach now has to live with all the damage done to him by Tomas's reaction to him not paying, why would he pay? It seems like paying Tomas twice. Why should he get his revenge and his money?
Why do you think this thread damages Zach's reputation if Zach is behaving reasonably? Surely people would read the chat transcript and feel sorry for him. Surely people would avoid doing business with Tomas Samol from now on? That's what you think, isn't it?
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08-18-2014 , 04:40 AM
there was already a pic of him in the original post
http://imgur.com/M0kvNaC
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08-18-2014 , 05:28 AM
kartinken and Zachary Parker are obviously the same person, come on now...
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08-18-2014 , 05:48 AM
Started reading this thread and just couldn't stop. So let me get this straight, you (Tomas Somal) bought $16,000.00 from an account that could possibly yield $0.00 for $8,500.00, got $12,000.00 out of the deal, and are now claiming you got scammed. Let’s take a look at this scam for a minute. You move to Thailand, you have a person you barely know who not only gives you his real name and actually lives with you for a minute, but he also lets you know where he’s living back in the States when he leaves Thailand. And he gives you $12,000.00 outright. That’s what we like to call the long con, bold move from the scammer there. I especially like that your contract is made up of Facebook posts, the first one actually addressing this sale sent from you, soliciting the scammer for his account. He must be good, Bernie Madoff good, Nigerian Prince good. Best be on the lookout folks.

He tells you he’s going to hold on to $4,000.00 of the $16,000.00 to pay taxes, but he’ll give you the remainder as long as you wait for the end of 2014 tax season to collect. You respond by calling him out by name on a website of his peers before that event occurs. You don’t even wait to see how much you will get after 2014 taxes, but instead wisely attack his character and threaten legal action in a public forum. Way to get the promised money first and then go on the offensive - shrewd. “I assume Zachary Parker scammed me after i bought his FTP funds,” but I haven’t actually waited long enough to find out… Well played sir. Brilliant on all counts. If he wasn't going to give you the money before (which you'll now never know), he's definitely going to give it to you now... If an actual con-artist reads this thread, I hope for your sake they don’t target you. You’ll be left with nothing but the shirt on your back, living in a van, down by the river. Thank god the poker community has threads like this to learn all of the scams that are out there, I bet this exact same scenario is occurring to unsuspecting marks throughout the world. You’ve really shined a light on the seedy underworld of Thailand, congratulations.

Now, to get to the legal aspects concerning this ridiculousness. It seems, judging from what you’ve had to say combined with all of the other posted comments, that there isn’t a lawyer in the mix. First off, you’re surprised that an attorney wouldn’t take this case on a contingency basis??? Personal injury cases are taken on a contingency basis. Construction defect cases are taken on a contingency basis. Contract cases for $4,000.00, when there is almost no possible means of collecting, will NEVER be taken on a contingency basis. I really and truly mean never. You might be able to get hourly with a minimum $2,000.00 retainer, you might be able to get flat rate for minimum $2,000.00, you will never get an attorney stupid enough to take this on a contingency basis. And anybody offering you the hourly or flat rate is not doing it because they think they can get you your money back, it’s because they think they can make $2,000.00 off of you.

Let me explain why. First off, you have the jurisdiction issue. Somebody mentioned in an earlier thread “where would it be? The events took place in Thailand, right?” Sure, but how on Earth are you going to domesticate a Thai judgment back in the States? Spoiler alert, you’re not. Alright, so that means you have to bring the case back in the States, allegedly Marietta, Georgia. Yeah, you have to file where the defendant resides… Then you have to serve him with the summons and complaint. If he doesn’t get served, the case gets thrown out.

So pay $80.00 to file the case (if you go Magistrate’s Court, $150.00 for Court of Common Pleas), pay $200.00 for a private investigator to track him down, assuming you find him - get ready for the kicker - shell out well over a grand to fly down from Thailand for the final hearing. Yeah, if you’re not physically there, you can’t get any of that fantastic evidence submitted. So not only would there be no testimony from you, additionally all of the Facebook posts “proving” that you had a contract would not be admissible, and then what do you have? Absolutely nothing. Meaning the money you’ve shelled out for filing fees, service fees, a lawyer, a plane ticket, and whatever else may have come up - will possibly win you $4,000.00. Word to the wise, you will never get those fees back. The only way to get lawyer’s fees etc. in a ruling is if it was stipulated per contract (laughable) or by statute (which doesn’t exist for this cause of action). I hope you’re following here…

Now here’s the real kicker. Let’s say that you make ALL of this happen somehow: you’re willing to spend the time and money to get it done, and then you magically pull out a win, in spite of his defenses, with your breach of contract claim. That’s when you end up with a judgment in your favor. A judgment is essentially a piece of paper that says, “this guy should pay this guy X amount.” BUT, there isn’t really any way to collect on that judgment. It’s a civil case, not criminal. He can’t go to jail. He can’t be held in contempt of court. Debtor’s prisons are a thing of the long-ago past here in America. So how do you actually get the money? You have to pay a lawyer even more money to attempt to garnish his wages. Which can be challenged. And then it’s time to hire a new lawyer, because the last one already took your money and is ready to move on with his life. And if you do manage to get a court order to garnish his wages, it would most likely be around 15% of what he’s pulling in per paycheck. Not exactly quick money. So if you’re curious as to why you can’t get anybody in the legal community to talk to you about your lucrative case, look no further.

ASK
ANY
ATTORNEY
ANYWHERE

You’re welcome. I have now provided you (Tomas Somal) with the legal information, NOT legal advice, to fill that void. I could go into more depth about all of this, but it ‘s truly not worth my time. Please, if you can get one on the phone, speak with another attorney to fact-check here. BTW, earlier in the thread you asked for legal input, I responded with this post, and feel as though we have entered into a legally binding contract (offer and acceptance bud). Prepare for me to fly to Thailand to collect my fee, apparently it’s worth it. Thanks for the entertainment; hopefully this was a learning experience.
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08-18-2014 , 06:21 AM
LOL
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08-18-2014 , 06:22 AM
This thread is great, as it serves as a warning for others not to deal with someone who is

A) Broke
-these people are desperate for anything, any deal, anything to survive

B) Has psychiatric conditions:
-schizoaffective disorder which is hallucinations, delusions, mania, depression.
-bipolar disorder which is manic-depressive illness, explosive and irritable during a mood episode (like right now)

C) Is unreasonable to deal with:
-refuses arbitration with mutual friend,
-blocking you from further communication with him leaving you no choice but to out him
-being arrogant by using saying "non-negotiable" when the original deal was for 16K not 12K
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08-18-2014 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by N.joy
Started reading this thread and just couldn't stop. .
Yeah, you just couldnt stop reading this thread and registering an account and giving LOL legal advice on behalf of Zach. What a coincidence!
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08-18-2014 , 06:38 AM
Almost forgot: if you have any more legal questions, feel free to call (719) 266-2837. Once again, you're welcome.
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08-18-2014 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
It's not that I think Zach doesn't owe it because Tomas was being an *******. It's this specific reaction. This does real damage to Zach, this damage can't be undone. Even if the thread came down today and/or Zach paid today, his reputation would still be demolished. Since Zach now has to live with all the damage done to him by Tomas's reaction to him not paying, why would he pay? It seems like paying Tomas twice. Why should he get his revenge and his money?
So if I steal/scam from you and as long as I settle with you and make things right the rest of the world should not be entitled to know what happened?

I'm sorry but this is not how the world works. Say you work for me and steal from my business, you will be charged criminally, this will become a matter of public record, and you can face imprisonment and/or fines. I can still come after you civilly for any damages. The whole point is to ruin your reputation, so others business don't hire or deal with you.
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08-18-2014 , 07:03 AM
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Does he have squinty, beady eyes like most poker scammers?
Absolutely the best 2nd to last post you've ever made.
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08-18-2014 , 07:04 AM
Ok, I went thru all these posts. Thanks Punter11235 and DougL for very good posts.

N.joy thank you for your legal information, it sound like you know what you are talking about. But you are saying I should have waited until the end of the taxing year, but that's clearly unreasonable. When he stated that he is taking 4000$ for taxes, no matter what. I do not agree with that. And he is not willing to negotiate about it. And just ignored it. I agree that the legal way would be very difficult.

Kartinken you should have told Zach before this post was made. Many people knew about this deal and no one came to help when I asked for it. I was left no choice. I tried to negotiate but was ignored. I waited quite a time for this to get resolved by ''itself''. It did not. When I made this post it was clear that his intentions was not to pay me the 4000$ that he owned me, and he blocked any communications with me. I did not make this threat to extort money from him. The money was already gone at the time of making this threat.
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08-18-2014 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pontylad
Time for a thread name change, there is now no assumption in this case.
Maybe to Zachary Parker is a thief and a scammer... and also has some very stupid friends?
seems apt.
More like a cult to protect him for future scams.


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This. Unfortunately, now is the point of the scam where scammer (and friends) simply disappear and go silent.
Time for this. This guy and his friends need to be outted. This is a straight up hustle. Every bit of this is a scam. I mean come on, he threatens to claim some psychological bull**** if you seek legal action. He makes it known that he is only doing this because he's broke. He (via his friend's 2+2 account) states that he is now entitled to the money because you are outting him on 2+2.
Don't be afraid to drop the hammer on this guy.
Agree

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Originally Posted by seemetouchme
Would be nice to find out his friends names that are advising against paying as they clearly are comfortable with this fact and who would want to deal with those people as well.
Agree

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Originally Posted by MastaAces
Parker's alleged friends made no mentions of his psychological instability. If he really were as troubled as he claims surely they would have.
I also want the names of his friends outed. They're not to be trusted either.
Agree

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Originally Posted by HelloFriends
I only want the name of his friend if they are somewhat known in poker, so I can revel in the ensuing drama/social pornography that will follow. If they are complete unknowns I don't care.
Agree
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08-18-2014 , 07:15 AM
N.joy, why did you write so many paragraphs attacking the semantics of a guy from Slovakia who clearly doesn't speak English as a first language? It's blatantly obvious that there was some wrong doing here, right? Scam, larceny, theft whatever you want to call it.

If someone owed you $4,000 then said they weren't going to pay you for reasons that were blatantly illegitimate and then threatened to lie to authorities and claim "psychiatric instability" if you sought recourse, what would you call it?

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I bet this exact same scenario is occurring to unsuspecting marks throughout the world.
Nailed it! Yes, there are thieves and scammers who promise to pay money they owe then dont pay the money they owe all over the world doing this exact thing right now. I'm glad there are people like Tomas who choose to out the scammers and thieves so that other people don't fall victim to psychiatric bouts of larceny.

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Best be on the lookout folks.
Yes! Be on the lookout for people such as Zach and his vouching friends. You will not get the money you are owed.

Excellent first post by the way Zach or whatever your name is.

Last edited by lostinthesaus; 08-18-2014 at 07:40 AM.
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08-18-2014 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ItsMeMaiX
When I made this post it was clear that his intentions was not to pay me the 4000$ that he owned me, and he blocked any communications with me. I did not make this threat to extort money from him. The money was already gone at the time of making this threat.
I assume you mean owed and thread. Be careful with thread - threat.
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08-18-2014 , 08:07 AM
I will be as neutral as possible in this post as I have met Zachary Parker and his friends in Thailand before and he appears to be a nice guy who has loyal friends, and no, he is not a professional scammer, and his friend do not run a scam ring.

From what I understand he was playing quite high limits and making good money at the time however what his friends fail to disclose is Zachary is of unstable mental disorder as he is on medication for severe disorders and in my opinion should be under medical supervision.

Don't get me wrong, 95% of the time he is normal, but from stories I have heard he can cause harm to himself (he's pretty harmless to others imo) and isn't competent to be involved in any financial transactions or agreements.

Because its impossible to know at what point he is in a sound state I would advise the twoplustwo community from refraining in any financial dealing with Zachary.
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08-18-2014 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
Full Disclosure: Zach is one of my best friends, and I have known him since he was a kid. Also, I am not big in the 2+2 community by any stretch, so I know what I say won't carry much weight.
This is not a full disclosure. This is a partial disclosure. You fail to mention Zach's medical history, he is not able to deal in socially acceptable ways with other individuals 100% of the time.

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Originally Posted by AlexM
I've known Zach since he was like 10. I didn't vouch for him, but I would have. He's not a scammer. This is a case of honest miscommunication and/or misunderstanding, not of scamming.
Why would you vouch for someone that is not in a sound mental state?
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08-18-2014 , 08:31 AM
My friend paid a delivery service to ship his furniture to his new house. Even helped them load the truck with all his possessions. However, when they turned up in the same truck at the new house there were several items missing.

He was pretty pissed about this. It seems many in this thread would say that he should be happy to get some of what he expected. He paid an agreed upon number, expected all his stuff to be shipped from A to B. Instead they stole a TV and various bits of furniture from him. Is it OK if the delivery drivers owe money to someone else? Is it OK if the delivery driver used to own the TV before selling it to my friend years ago?

Are these two situations similar?
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08-18-2014 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
Well for starters, he's broke. It unreasonable to expect him to face a tax burden on the money and not have the fund available to pay it. Second of all, I *would* have advised him to set up some payment plan with Tomas, had Tomas not resorted to this craziness. Anyone who would pay Tomas after a thread like this is a ridiculous pushover. I don't see any reality where Zach still owes this money.
1. Zach is broke so he shouldn't pay back what he owes.
2. Tomas was unpleasant so he doesn't deserve all that money anyways.

That is your arguments.
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08-18-2014 , 08:52 AM
Don't forget 3. He has mental problems.

Everyone in the entire world who has mental problems of various degrees are all scumbags.
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08-18-2014 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
Except here they have damaged the reputation of a *very* good person. Tomas knew what was going to happen when he made this post. Posting this is way more terrible a thing to do than anything Zach did at any point. Even if he paid now, it wouldn't repair his reputation. So I think it's more than fair for Zach to keep the money, since Tomas's absurd retribution can't be undone.
This is Scammer 101. The action that is the correct is for Zach to pay the full 16k, looking for an excuse to not pay the full amount is full on theft and scamming. It doesn't matter at all that this thread has happened, what is correct is for the full 16k to be paid. Looking for an out, like ohhhh he hurt his reputation, is just a way for a scammer to justify to themselves that they aren't scamming, when in fact they are scamming, and defiantly scamming at that.

So take all of your rationalizations and go away, he owes the full 16k, this thread has nothing to do with it, pay the man his 16k.
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