Agreed, OP should have waited until FTP paid Zachary Parker the $1600 and Zach then deposited the full amount in OP's account. Only then should he have sent him the $8500. Mind boggling!!

Kartinken let me tell you as a LHE player who regularly played against honkeythedonkey on FTP, I would love to be able to root for him in a kindred spirit sort of way... but I can't. He is 1000% in the wrong if he doesn't ship out the full $16,000.

What I found funny in this story is we have another example of a former high stakes reg, busto, in big debt and desperate. Seems pretty common.

There isn't really. It's a given that any time one of these threads pop up there will be at least one moron who says 'just be glad you got x back!!!'. Cerveza is a known moron in other forums so he fits the bill. I think there have been 1 or 2 other posters saying the same thing or the ever common 'wow you ship money to an unknown and get scammed? shocker', no surprises thus far.

The only other person 'debating' is a self-admittedly biased friend who thinks that making a thread outing someone who stole money from you is forfeiting the money owed (l o l), so someone who is completely incapable of thinking about the situation objectively, either because of being biased or being an idiot, or both.

So yeah nothing too shocking. I'm actually surprised that there's been so few posts blaming the OP.

I don't know which is worse here:

- the fact that it seems Zach actually thinks he's in the right

- the knowledge of pretty much everyone involved on how taxes work

- the fact that some people seem to think a thread outlining how a scam was carried out absolves him of his responsibility to make right on it

- the amount of "lol at you for getting scammed" posts. We get it, you won't take any risks at all now stfu. I've bought a large amount of ftp and haven't gotten scammed as have several other of my friends. We don't post about our experiences on 2p2, you only hear the negative ones. I'm sure you're the same people who lol at banks when they make loans that get defaulted on while they continue to print money

I've tried to keep out of this thread for a while. But these 2 posts are absurd. If you two want to vouch for Zach/Zach's credibility, pay out Tomas and have Zach pay you back. It's that simple.

Tomas gave Zach 8.5k for 16k. He wasn't doing him a favor by giving him an advance of 8.5k for 8.5k. This was a business transaction.

Whether or not this statement is true, there was simply no scam. Someone can be wrong in a situation without being a liar/thief/scammer. My only point was that this thread is out of line. I don't have enough information to know what Zach owes. What I do know is that creating this thread is ****ed up, and leaving it up is just as ****ed up. It's just dozens of people going crazy pretending they have enough evidence to convict someone of scamming/stealing when they have one side of the story. Threads like this do no one any good at all. It's certainly done Tomas no favors besides maybe having his ****ed up view of what happened confirmed by a pack of wild dogs.

Regardless of what Zach owes or doesn't owe, how is this post or thread remotely reasonable in response to the situation?

I respond to this because I have watched Zach play you a decent amount, and I know your name from other places, obv. I'm hoping you can see that a bad situation can occur without escalating it to such a public display with such inappropriate accusations.

Nothing alleged, I confirm that I am his friend. I don't really see the need to focus on that. I will confirm that he has had serious mental issues in the past and they were at their worst in Thailand. I didn't see any reason to mention it as it had nothing to do with the points I was making, but if it'll make you feel better, yes, he has had some ****ed up times in his life.

It does plenty of people good, because they now know never to do business with Zach

How is that good if this is not representative of normally doing business with Zach?

Kartinken, maybe this was truly a misunderstanding by Zack. However, after reading all these posts, you must realize NOW that Zack is in the wrong. He MUST pay the full amount. This is non-negotiable. If he is busto, no problem. You just tell him to agree to pay the full amount at some later date. OP will agree to this and Zach must make a good faith effort to start the repayment process. This is my final post on this subject. The terms are not negotiable. If Zach agrees, the OP may get this thread removed.

No, man. After reading this thread I am even more confident that he doesn't owe Tomas jack **** anymore. This whole thing was an abomination before one reply was written. Zach's name in the community is completely destroyed now. Why on earth would Zach reward such a ludicrous tactic by paying him the money?

Before the post, I would have almost certainly tried to explain to Zach why he owed the whole 4k and tried to convince him to work out a payment plan. Tomas decided to be a cowboy and destroy Zach's reputation. There's no way I'd tell Zach to pay now.

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Kartinken, stfu already with your nonsense. At least Zach has the excuse of being mentally ill for his lack of understanding of what is right and wrong. What is your excuse?

Your explanations and reasoning's are ****ing stupid in the extreme.

Is my memory correct that name in green means mod? How is the 2+2 community so ungodly terrible. I know so many poker players and almost all are awesome, but well over 99% of posts and comments in this community are just horrifying.

Kartinken, I don't know if you are some kind of foreigner or can't understand English, but all this is very clear. If you promise to ship someone $16000, then you ship them 16000. You don't decide to ship them 10000 or 8000 or 5000. You ship them the full amount. This is my last post on this subject, so PM me if you have further questions.

I have seen zero posts in this thread indicating to me that anyone here has a greater understanding of what is right and what is wrong than I do.

cliff:

the guy sold ftp funds cuz he was gamble the success to get his funds back.
ftp players can get funds back.
the guy is so mad because he lost the gamble so he do what seams fair in his head.

If you think this is bad, do not read the Borovetz or Kim Shannon scam threads. Your ears will catch on fire.

I don't have any questions. I have said a zillion times that I am not judging who owes who what. I am here to talk about how disgusting and absurd this post is. If you actually pay attention to what you are reading in the OP it's painfully clear that this isn't a scam. It's clear Zach was in the wrong at some point, but it never came close to rising to the level of scam or stealing, and no lies were ever told. In fact, you can read the transcript and clearly see zach was overly honest in many cases.

The OP and responses are just classic internet insanity of one person giving limited info (though still enough info to exonerate), and having idiots who think they know everything about everything scream and hate and berate.

Except here they have damaged the reputation of a *very* good person. Tomas knew what was going to happen when he made this post. Posting this is way more terrible a thing to do than anything Zach did at any point. Even if he paid now, it wouldn't repair his reputation. So I think it's more than fair for Zach to keep the money, since Tomas's absurd retribution can't be undone.

I don't see how it isn't. He may have had mental illness in Thailand but he may also have illness when making deals in the future. I've seen nothing to suggest he isn't capable of coming up with another tax-esque excuse in the future and keep a % of the agreed upon $.

A deal is a deal. You think that it's ok to renege on a deal (for thousands of dollars no less) because somebody is acting like an ******* (in your opinion). So yeah, pretty much everyone here has a greater understanding than you.

Is this real life? Are we in Salem in 1692?

It's not that I think Zach doesn't owe it because Tomas was being an *******. It's this specific reaction. This does real damage to Zach, this damage can't be undone. Even if the thread came down today and/or Zach paid today, his reputation would still be demolished. Since Zach now has to live with all the damage done to him by Tomas's reaction to him not paying, why would he pay? It seems like paying Tomas twice. Why should he get his revenge and his money?

would you still be up in arms if tomas had used the word "thief" instead of "scammer"?
surely you cannot dispute the fact he has stolen the money, even if his original intent wasnt to commit a scam.

thank you for finally admitting that your friend is in the wrong. now, was that so ****ing hard?

the fact that you think zachary parker (scammer/thief/liar) from marietta, georgia no longer owes this because communications were closed by his very own non-negotiable/i'm blocking you bull**** is something speaks volumes of your despicable character.

please disappear from the poker community. we have enough scammers to deal with, we don't really need another one.

in response to nah12 i need to have a green say specifically that it's ok to put his pic up