Oh how I missed 2+2......

Y'all can have whatever judgments you want, but the evidence is clear from only the accuser's side that there was no scam here.

All I'm saying is this thread is wildly out of line, and the *very* obvious fact that Zachary Parker is not a scammer. This thread is bull****. I don't know Tomas, but it's an amazingly ****ty thing to do to post something like this.

I advised Zach to just move on with his life and ignore this thread and Tomas alltogether. I'll be doing the same relatively soon, I just want to make sure I answer any reasonable questions. I'm sure I'll have to wade through dozens of "whatever dood, he's obv a scammer." But I do want to do my best to help clean up his name while 2+2 is dragging its feet on deleting this thing.

Already conceded he didn't handle the negotiation (or lack thereof) well. I don't know what you want me to say about that.

The money is segregated, so I'm not sure why you think you know something I don't about this.

No matter how ****ed up you might think the situation is, there's no evidence at all of a scam. This thread is bull**** and needs to go. I'm not interested in resolving the situation between Tomas and Zach, I am interested in getting this insane thread deleted.

Zachary is a thief+liar(=scammer) and its beneficial to society that he doesnt do this to anyone else. The best advice you could give your friend Zach at this point is to man up and pay what he owes.

thats not very good advice. Why didnt you advice him to transfer the remaining money or if not possible just state that he owes the money. it would deminish this thread to a storm in a glass of water. The thread might get a nice new title where no scam is mentioned, maybe something with 'misunderstanding' in it. and then probably gets closed forever if the money is colected. And now your friends name is cleared.

that seemed like a reasonable question. but hes gone.

you want to help your friend with clearing his name but adviced him something that accomplished the opposite.

lol

at least you are a loyal friend

you could say that your friend basically has no base for negotiations. from what it looks like he ducked taxes on the 8.5k he received and now tries to make his wrong right years later when he gets visible income. victimising the OP in the process.

Im a tax noob but thats what it looks like to me.

If OP had used the word welched instead of scammed I guess you'd be fine with it? And because of semantics the penalty is 4k?

JFC this has to be a joke

out of interest kartinken if this "clearly isn't a scam", what would you describe it as? how do you justify him making an agreement for the 16/8.5k split then moving the goalposts when scammer's zach's situation changes?

Your advice to your friend sucks, he's getting 4k to have his name associated with scamming for life. He even had the option to keep $ for taxes and go on a payment plan (which pretty much destroys his excuse of 'just trying to protect myself from going busto!'), and this thread doesn't happen. He is reaping what he sowed.

I highly doubt this thread is going to be deleted.

So if you would have bet $1k with me that Germany would win the World Cup @8.0 and I would only decide to pay you $2k instead of $8k I would not be scamming you and you really should not complain about it, since you got more back than you initially put up?

You seem to lack any sort of objective reasoning. Your friend is scamming unless he pays the $4k to complete the total amount he agreed to be paying in their initial agreement.

This is so disgusting. There isn't even an argument here. Zach owes 16K to OP and its not even close. Taxes? WTF is he even talking about? It's quite clear that Zach is broke and remembered Tomas asking the question about taxes and saw a way to keep 4K and semi-legitimize this by "discussing with roommates".

Zero dollars? That's a lie. He has $8500 (or equivalent) that was clearly given to him by OP. So...if he really does feel like he needs to pay taxes, take the appropriate amount from the $8500 that was given to him by Tomas and pay your taxes and keep the rest of the $8500 that was given to you by Tomas.

Is it a complicated tax matter if the IRS decides to scrutinize it? Yes. But that has nothing to do with this.

He owes 0$ in taxes on the 16k he received because it's not his money, if he were to be audited he would simply show the money coming in and it instantly going out to the person whose money it was. So, he is keeping 4k$ for a non existent tax liability, that is a scam.

There were hundreds of horses who after BF had tens of thousands of dollars in their ftp accts that did not belong to them. None of them have to pay taxes on their ftp balances either because the money is not theirs. Horses don't get to keep 30% of their backers money because there is no tax liability for them just as there isn't for your friend.

Given everything I just said how do you not consider this a scam? Again, he is keeping 4k and claiming he needs it for a nonexistent tax debt.

Your friend can easily prove he is not scamming and just misunderstood his tax liability by admitting he was wrong about what is taxable income and sending the op the 4k he owes him (just as he agreed to do when they made the deal). Doing anything other than that means he is scamming.

he steals screen names too! tar and feather the man imo

So let's see. In Zach's world OP decided to pay 8.5k for maybe 12k in FTP in maybe future - a price nobody sane would pay at that time. What is worse if the taxes turned out to be 50% or something then Zach's with clear conscience would only pay 8k back and "separate" remaining 8k to pay his taxes.

It's not like with first and second degree murder when you are establishing intent at the time of committing it. The scam here occurs once Zach refuses to pay which is very reversible action (unlike murder). He might have believed he is in the right not paying the whole 16k back at first but it's easy for him to get educated on what the deal meant or maybe try adjudication by community members. Once he refuses to do that the intent of shorting OP is established therefore we are back in scam category.

Man, it's pretty clear what Zach meant when making this deal and collecting 8.5k. OP offered this deal, unless Zach is a total idiot he knew the going rate might be 8.5k now for 16k on FTP but it couldn't possibly be 8.5k for 12k. The meaning of the deal was clear as sky for everyone involved and was confirmed by Zach saying he owes 16k once FTP is back.

As to this:
There is a difference between saying: "I am busto, I can't pay now because I need to cover other debtors/living expenses let's figure some payment schedule for the future" and "I won't pay what I owe, **** you".

So you refuse to pay, your creditor gets mad and call you names and then you feel justified for not paying because of that. Great. Seems like refusing to pay and rubbing it into creditors face is quite profitable strategy.

So stealing 4K doesnt fall under reasonable definition of scam. Interesting.

Sounds to me as if Zach Parker got his hands on a buddies screen name for 2p2....

Either way

Zach Parker scams
Zach Parker owes 4k
Zach Parker is a thief
Zach Parker doesn't pay what he owes
Zach Parker pedophile? TBD?

here is a honest question to anyone, if Zach Parker can't even pay taxes correctly, how will he ever find employment?


good luck getting a job Zach......

Dude, you clearly missed the point of my post. OP is exactly the person P.T. Barnum was talking about.

Why would you ever pay someone money who drags your name through the mud like this? To me the existence of this thread is Tomas forfeiting the money. It's disgusting.

Well for starters, he's broke. It unreasonable to expect him to face a tax burden on the money and not have the fund available to pay it. Second of all, I *would* have advised him to set up some payment plan with Tomas, had Tomas not resorted to this craziness. Anyone who would pay Tomas after a thread like this is a ridiculous pushover. I don't see any reality where Zach still owes this money.

I would describe it as someone scared of the federal government levying penalties against them for not paying taxes. He didn't do anything unreasonable in his actions. The only unreasonable part was the refusal to discuss terms, but he is broke and scared.

Zach was actually majorly distraught over this. He feels pretty awful about the whole situation, but it's too late now. Tomas chose the path he did, so he's giving up the money, in my mind.

I think I've stated Zach's case as well as I can. There was clearly no scam or anything super shady going on here. I didn't expect much traction from this community. I'm going back on radio silence now. Enjoy your circle jerk.

You're so ******ed.
Zachary not paying back the $4k is not the result of this thread. This thread is the result of him not paying back the $4k. There was first the scam and then the thread about the scam.
Complaining about this thread is just a further unreasonable attempt to validate his scam. If he's broke I'm sure you're willing to cover for him for the time being, I'm sure he will pay you back and it will result in this thread being closed.

How did he "segregate the remainder" if he's broke?








P.S. Come back to the survivor thread. We miss you there.