Actually, you should be disgusted that fellow poker enthusiasts are stupid enough to do these deals. And that these forums offer a marketplace for scam artists to operate. This thread only proves that P.T. Barnum was right.

You are clearly new to twoplustwo

Post of the thread. I wish I were this eloquent, and not so infuriated at the behavior of the OP and commenters.

I knew there was a disagreement, but I thought it was being negotiated. I had no idea you had already written him off as a scammer. This thread is wildly out of line. No one is saying Zach handled this well. His defenders are just saying you handled it worse. I think you know in your heart that Zach didn't scam you. This thread is disgusting.

artinen just out of curiosity how would ou describe the situation in this thread in your own words and what do you hink is the corecct term if it isnt scam.

Zachary parker is a thief plain and simple.

The biggest aspect of a thief is making people wait for money to come as a way to buy time.

His friend is stupid for his responses

I'd have more respect for someone and would help them out if they were honest

Seems like they had a good relationship.. how hard would it have been to say " yo, I ****ed up and didn't save money for taxes, can I borrow some and pay you back l"

Or even after this thread was started .. " man, I thought I was right and I was convinced I was but after reading this thread I was wrong, I am broke so I can't ship it to you now but I do owe it to you and will pay it back"

That would save his reputation, but instead it's going further down hill

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and you are clearly a delusional idiot with questionable morals

I would say that zach made a deal which he intended to keep. I think when Tomas asked him if taxes had been paid, he took that to mean Tomas was saying taxes should be paid out of the money first (I admit this is a poor assumption). When he lost all his money and methods to make more, he panicked about a potential tax burden he could not pay. He believed there was a legitimate risk of serious legal recourse that would result in him having to pay money he didn't have. This panic caused him to issue an ultimatum to Tomas because he didn't want to entertain a scenario where he could be demolished by the federal government.

I don't deny that under the original terms Zach owed 16k. I don't deny that he handled "negotiations" poorly. All I am saying is that calling this situation a scam is absurd. There's nothing shady going on, just lots of poor choices on both sides. Tomas's poor choice of creating this thread is by far the most scummy and damaging, which is why I feel that settles the debt from a moral standpoint.

Since when I asked for my money he wrote: You get this much take it or leave it. Basically saying '' If you do not agree you might as well get nothing.'' Then after he send me the money and I asked where is the rest he said I am harassing him, and that he is blocking communication with me. I am sure he did not intend to scam me from the beginning. But as the time of the payment came he decided he don't want to pay his own taxes and want me to do it for him. And that's where the scam came from. We did the deal both with clear mind about the deal. The agreement is not lax or hard to understand. Its very simple. After the agreement I offered to pay part of his taxes because I felt sorry for him. He refused. There was no other way to handle this since he blocked communication with me, and his friends refused to talk to him.

Well you were harassing him. He told you where the rest was and when you could expect it. You have multiple roads to contact him since, and you didn't. You didn't approach any friends to lobby on your behalf. You could have definitely gotten this money from him eventually if you handled it reasonably (even in the face of him handling it unreasonably). You chose a very different route. A horrible route. If you think this should be rewarded, you are pretty delusional yourself.

IMO we should all have a friend like kartinken.

Nah don't worry, almost done writing to Zach's employer. Exposing him for the scammer/thief he is.

Also, for the website, which do you prefer,

Zachary-Parker-is-a-scammer-and-a-thief.com, or

Zachary-Parker-stole-4k-from-roomate.com

Totally up to you. Give me an answer by today, need to attach it to the email going to his employer.

if you think the debt is void because of tomas' actions, you're a fkn idiot. feel free to continue, as im sure you havent lost 100% credibility to everyone yet

kartinken, asking him ''Where my money is, and why is he not giving me the agreed part'' is not harassing. He told me he is paying his taxes with my money. That is where the rest of my money is. I asked 3 of his good friends for help, to talk to him, they refused. Hoping to get money from him after he said he is not giving me anything, and blocking me, is very foolish.

I actually have friends in this area! How do you guys feel about Zachary Parker is a thief posters going up everywhere within a mile radius of his work place?

Zach told his employers already, you ****ing psycho.

What makes you think a scammer is going to tell his boss the truth? I'm gonna tell it as it happened, Zach stole money and refuses to pay it back.

Actually, he didn't steal anything. It was willingly sent to him by a rube. He just didn't pay the entire agreed upon amount. That is not theft. It may be dishonest. Breach of Contract possibly (if there was one and if nothing was written it can't survive the Statute of Frauds) Unjust Enrichment, maybe even conversion. But not theft.

Don't care, but his employer will when those Zach posters hit the streets. Oh boy, this is gonna be exciting.

He directed them to this thread, you car rest assured they will hear Tomas's side. I am friends with both of his bosses as well. They have known Zach since he was a child, as have I. There's no way you are going to turn a single person who knows Zach well against him. It's impossible. Zach is an amazingly wonderful person, and that's not a secret.

He ****ed up in this situation (as did Tomas, only Tomas ****ed it up worse and certainly did the scummiest single action of the whole scenario), but there was no malicious intent at any point. Someone ****ing up does not warrant this response, but this response warrants completely cutting off communication with this person who initiated it.

You need to calm down, dude. Can I at least get some back up on *this* being going 500 steps too far? Come on, there's no way this whole community is that unreasonable.

be more irrelevant please? none of this changes the fact zach made a mistake and should pay the remaining 4k

If Bob sells a MP package while in 20k debt to the mob, then the mob unexpectedly knocks on Bobs door to collect, he's gonna give them the investor money. Then he's going to be labeled (rightfully so) a scammer/liar/thief.

If Zach borrows (which is effectively what he did) money from Tomas and then doesn't give it all back because he's scared of what will happen to him at the hands of someone else he owes, what's the difference?

Bob made bad decisions in his life then had to use the good/honest investor money to make good on it.

I'm sure Bob will be very "distraught", as well as broke and scared, but he's still a ****ing thief.

Seeing the world in black and white where only grey exists is the height of arrogance.

I realize there are holes in the analogy but the point is if you're put in a tough spot and use someone else's money to get out of it, regardless of how wonderful of a guy you are or how respectfully you normally would have handled the money, you're a thief.