Hi, I was wondering what is the policy of twplustwo regarding private info being posted here and what are the opinions of other members on this topic.

Since twoplustwo is pretty popular website and ranks quite high on the search engines then someones real name being associated with scamming can be potentially damaging to his private life like job opportunities, friendships, etc.

I personally think that this is a very good thing overall because it gives backers some protection and makes it harder for scammer to find new marks. But what about people who pay back the stake? Is there any path for redemption and the right to be forgotten?


Every case is different and I think context matters. There can be someone that outright stole the money and never had any intention to play and make profit for the backer. Then there are people who stop playing what they are supposed to and lose the money that way. Some might have history of doing shady things while for others this might be their first/only time. Does it matter if it happened a long time ago or the amount of stake?

A "right" implies something that people are entitled to, but your post is proposing something different.

Numerous times people have made good on debts and had information removed. And many times, such information remains. It's rare that all record of an issue will be removed; more common would be that some or all personal information is removed while poker and forum screen names remain.

First priority should be to pay back your debts, without expectation of anything being removed, and then come back and see what we can do.

The right to be forgotten is a concept and law in EU that individuals have the civil right to request that personal information be removed from the Internet.

I was thinking removal of personal information because it affects persons life outside of poker.

In a perfect world I agree, but in the end shouldn't it be about practicality?

The main goal of such posts is to get back the money and warn others about the person.

If there was a clear way for scammers to have their personal information removed then I would think there is a higher chance of them paying back.

Also if the stake has been paid back and there's no reason to suspect that the person had an intention to scam or a long time has passed then I don't see how it's helping anyone to have personal info out in the public. I don't believe that one single bad situation/action defines the person. I guess this is where the context matters.

I thought that this forum section was for the benefit of poker community. If there isn't a clear policy and the admins/mods have no interest to create one then it seems that it's more about them playing God with peoples lives and not what this section was intended for.

I understand that. And people have always had the right to make such a request on these forums. Whether that request is granted or not depends on the situation.

LOL @ "playing God with peoples lives". Like anyone involved with this site has such a bizarre motive behind their actions.

Yes, this forum section is for the benefit of the poker community, which extends beyond you and the guy you scammed.

Why don't you just repay what you owe, like you should? And if there's a specific situation where you think it would be appropriate for information to be removed, you should contact us to discuss it, rather than starting a thread and pretending this is all about your concern for 2+2 policy and the good of your fellow scammers.

Most likely not. I only say that because I have read about experiments where normal people have given some kind of perceived power and they start abusing it.

From your previous posts you seem to be completely fair so I'm not trying to attack anyone.

I didn't want to bring my personal situation on this thread because I honestly just want to find out what's fair and ethical. I don't care much about this forum and other peoples situations, just the issue in general.

My personal case is that I was losing player with gambling problem and was staked for 4nl 9 years ago. At the start I tried my best to make profit, but eventually I hit a downswing and it ended up like it has always ended for me - I gambled the bankroll away. I remember trying to work it out with the backer, but he wanted much more than what I was staked for. If I remember correctly his reasoning was that I should pay what my bankroll was at the highest point. At the time it was a large amount for me and I didn't think it was fair to ask more than the stake.

Looking back I made 2 mistakes with this situation other than gambling the bankroll: 1. If I didn't pay back the original stake, I should have done it asap. 2. I should have asked for opinions from others about the situation. I was embarrassed about the whole situation and just wanted it to go away.

Last year I searched for my name and found out the negative feedback post and slowly started to recall the details about the event. I had some money saved up and wanted to clear the issue with the backer. I would lie if partially my motivation wasn't to clear my name as well.

I tried to contact the backer and find out how much I owed, but he didn't have the details. I tried to get access to my old account because I remember discussing the issue privately with him. I made the whole situation worse by attacking mod and wasting everyone's time. The mod wanted me to pay back asked amount while not allowing access to the account and figuring out what the actual amount was. I also thought that he had access to this account, so I mistakenly figured that there's something weird going on. Eventually we agreed on the money and I paid it back. In no way I blame anyone else other than myself and the backer couldn't handle the whole situation better.

That's my personal situation, but I would like to find out in what cases the request is granted and in what it's not.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here - there's simply no way to list every possible scenario.

If you've cleared things up with your situation and would like some information edited/removed, I'd start with the person who posted it and have them contact me if they're agreeable to your proposal.

I was hoping that there are some general guidelines, but it probably doesn't matter. That's what the laws are for.

Actions have consequences. No law will save you from that. All we have as poker players is the ability to report to our fellow players and lessen losses from scammers. Like a bat-signal to warn potential noobs of the dangers.

Some scammers are still super prevalent and scamming still to this day, even though they have been reported multiple times with their real name and are everywhere on forums. They simply don't care to ever fix/clear their name. Because they are sneaky evil people and this is why its incredibly IMPORTANT to immortalize and plaster their real names and ANY and ALL online handles they use to post online or attempt to scam with.

Getting your name fully cleared and removed is very rare, as scammers generally dont just stop with 1 scam. its bred into their evil nature. I personally would never remove any scammers information if I owned 2+2, even if they paid off and fully cleared their debts. **** that. Let everyone know their history forever and then let future investors decide their choice.

If someone clears up their debts, and their debtors are able to confirm this, we will often remove much, and possibly all, of any personally identifying information. We will rarely remove everything (screen names).

I won't get any more precise than "often" and "rarely", because there are just too many possible factors at play. This forum is here for the community, so we don't remove information lightly.

Of course, accused scammers are always welcome to post their side of the story, so people can make up their own minds.

Thanks, this is interesting perspective.
What about people who are not scammers, but are put in the same thread and are being associated with scam? Should their private info be out in the open as well?

By the way are you speaking from your own experience? https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...3&postcount=32



Maybe your real name should be posted on the internet so everyone can decide for themselves if you can be trusted.

I posted that because I dont give a **** about my life when i was 14 years old. If you loan money to 14 year olds good luck, cuz kids are demons. I probably was. im 31 now.

also ive never needed backing, cuz im loaded

i BACK people.

so you can decide if you want my money or not, sure. ive built up 100% solid rep this way.

now if you posted something from when i wasnt a child, then you got me. except my rep is flawless <3

im sure you were a perfect lil kid too. LUL.

If you're a completely different person and 'so loaded' then why haven't you paid back the money yet?

Regarding the EU 'right to be forgotten' - it exists only if there is no longer a valid ground for processing. I'd suggest that letting the poker community know about people who have scammed the poker community is in the legitimate interest of the poker community and therefore the right to be forgotten would not exist.

N.b. This is obv not legal advice

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I can think of couple reasons why would there be a valid ground for it:

1. Person has paid back the debt.
2. You don't need to have personal info, poker screen names should be enough
3. Person doesn't play poker anymore
4. Most of the people who claim to be scammed don't actually provide any proof of it.

Its almost never a debt, and just outright theft.

People who owe debt and scammers are two entirely different beasts.

None of those are good reasons. Lmao.

Scammer - someone who makes money using illegal methods, especially by tricking people.

What you did is a definition of a scammer, but most people mentioned in negative feedback thread are not scammers.