ok clearly a scumbag for stealing the money but wow you guys are really your not allowed to post ip addresses, bank details this really is braking the data law acts in uk i know that unsure on other international law but wow


MOD EDIT: I've pulled a bunch of posts from the Negative Feedback thread to create this new thread for discussion of the issue.

I know that Bobo Fett reads this thread so will ask him for his reasoning on this.

In every other sub forum the mods will close and lock every thread that is asking for advice on breaking the law or the TOS of a poker site.

In this thread you allow backers who have had a $100 stolen from them to post unedited government issued IDs and as of recently copys of Utility bills (lol) on a public forum with no moderation whatsoever.

For a start this is illegal in any civilised country. The general attitude seems to be well since one party has broken the "contract" which never has any basis in law by the way. The backers can break criminal laws with impunity in this thread.

Also from reading the OP of this thread which i will concede is very old. This thread is for disputes between 2 parties using the 2+2 marketplace as a medium of exchange or sale. Doesn't seem any of these stakers use 2+2 to recruit their staff so why is it relevant what 2 parties are doing that has nothing to do with this forum.

I would suggest creating a new thread or re naming this one as backing disputes as thats 99% of what gets posted here and it is actually moderated properly without stakers posting anything they want regardless of the legality.

so many real laws get broke by stakers everyday you all need to realize if a guy even shop lifts in uk the shops are not allowed to make the thiefs id known even a picture of them what your doing by posting info like address facebook profiles witch will contain innocent people in the guys pics i might add bank details now and passports unedited d/l's your being careless and braking laws its ****ing terrible

Well, it's usually best to send me a PM, or report your post (red triangle to the left of every post) to draw our attention to it, as I don't read every post in this thread in detail. But I saw this one (and will watch for any replies), so here goes.

First of all, I think you'd be surprised at how privacy laws differ from country to country, and there are likely a few that most people would consider very civilized that don't have a lot that covers what goes on in this thread. But regardless, the laws differing is the big issue. I don't have a clue, and I suspect you don't either, exactly what has been posted that is or isn't illegal in every country. There's no way we're going to be making guesses at what should or shouldn't be allowed. If anyone thinks that their own details have been posted that shouldn't be, they're welcome to contact site administration and let them know. If anyone asks me, I always send them to Mat for legal concerns. But ultimately, posters are responsible for their own posts.

Perhaps the OP and/or title could be edited, but I think the content is fine. I'm not sure what exactly you meant by "Doesn't seem any of these stakers use 2+2 to recruit their staff", but if by staff you meant their players, I actually think that most who post in here do recruit on 2+2. But even if they don't, I think those who stake or get involved in transactions appreciate the information.

And I guess you'd be breaking those same laws by reposting every last detail in your post? FYI, when you post a reply, you can edit the quoted post. People usually appreciate that when you're replying to a long post.

In regards to posting peoples government issued IDs especially i don't think i would be surprised at all. I don't think any government likes their documents being broadcasted publicly and being made easier to forge which in turn makes their border security weaker. EU law covers this and any abuse of data protection in the slightest way. That covers 28 countries which make up a decent % of whats posted here so brushing past the legality is a rather weak defence in my opinion.

In regards to the second bolded post lets assume this exact post with no proof of wrong doing was posted in a high volume sub forum like NVG.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4366

Im willing to bet this post would get removed in five seconds flat and not just because its in the wrong section. This is what i mean by the different standard of moderation in every other forum bar this one. If i take a 6 month break from the internet and someone steals my identity and posts all my private information on 2+2 i would hope i wouldn't need to report the post to get this information removed if it was seen by a moderator. I like my chances in NVG here not so much.

Yes i referred to the players as staff as it seems they get treated that way barring holiday pay or any protection from getting sacked.

i would count the stakers using 2+2 to recruit as the ones with advertisements here.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...fering-stakes/

Its interesting here that all the bigger stables advertising on that board never post in this thread or maybe once every 3-6 months point is its a very rare occurrence. The stables that post here every few days no longer do any business on 2+2 so for the most part are recruiting elsewhere. Again if neither party have any business on 2+2 why do they belong in a thread that is for transactions done on 2+2.

dont be a jackass and clearly reposting is not braking any form of laws apose to data breaches really i always got told to avoid twoplustwo coz the admins are douches clearly my friends were correct idiot much and Data protection laws are there for a reason maybe i should send this thread to uk law enforcement dont get me wrong thief's are scum but clearly if the admins have 0 regard for the law and are more interested in complaining about a double post i can understand you really dont care if you let people on your site brake laws but w/e

that guy id shows even his parents names, its not necessary or help at all

Not to derail, but this is the kind of stuff I want to see posted itt!

While I don't agree with you on everything, you've raised some good points that I think are worthy of discussion, and I will bring them up with the moderation team. Ultimately posters are responsible for their posts, and I don't think it's realistic to expect mods to try to determine where posts have crossed the line on some points, but there may be an area or two where we can come up with some straightforward rules.

One of us is missing something here. I just went through the last page of this thread, and there were 18 posts before this recent exchange. 12 of them are from 2+2 advertisers.

No, of course it's not breaking the law - that was a joke. Apparently the smiley emoticon didn't convey that. But the point is that it's pretty silly to complain about someone posting all that info, and then quoting all of it in your post - effectively reposting it and making it an even bigger issue. Sorry my mild jab at you was so offensive. Hopefully you feel better now having called me a jackass, douche, and idiot.

Clearly we don't have 0 regard, or I wouldn't have entered the conversation with U shove in the first place. But responses like yours sure make all our volunteer efforts worthwhile.

Posting peoples passports, driving license and bank cards/documents on public forums without the individuals consent is a breech of the UK data protection act.
I think you should allow links to "thief" sites that have this information on, but not allow the posting of the images/data here.

i was upset with other stuff when i posted this real life **** but OK man sorry for for using profanity here but as a site at least if they post www.isatheif sites u as a site can say your a 3rd party in it so should someone take legal action agesnt someone it protects your site

fwiw, in recent meeting with lawyer, keeping the passports never mind posting them is huge breach, think can be sued for $2m for each passport picture posted in 2018.

There is a lot of personal data shared openly in this forum, how does GDPR affect it?

Ultimately forum administration is responsible for setting up rules and allowing or not allowing environment where people feel it acceptable to post passports, addresses and more very sensitive information.

Sure, there is different laws in different places and they are changing but even if some % of posts with sensitive information is punishable I am confused what 2+2 have to benefit from allowing this environment, for me it just look like 2+2 take most risk (domain/forum owner being biggest target if reported enough) while backers get most reward (higher % payback).
If forum section get enough reports to data protection services or something similar, I would think no one would chase people posting posts and would punish domain/forum owners for allowing theses posts and "Ultimately posters are responsible for their posts" would not stand long.

Basically i am just confused about why 2+2 would ever allow this sensitive information on forum if it have nothing to benefit from it.

Don't take me wrong, most likely no one ever will be punished for posting this info or allowing to stay by 2+2 side other then maybe being asked by some agency to remove posts but i personally don't understand why would 2+2 take small risk of more action taken by someone/some agency if they don't directly benefit from being involved with publishing very sensitive information.

may i just post something in here its something i had a meeting about in my part time job GDPR i think all backers should read this sure how it will effect people who post thiefs or "rule breakers" info in the words of the intership flim "on the line" aka online but i think all backers should look into this also to make sure you have the correct way of storing your horses info in a way that comply's with the GDPR rules and regs

Yes yes, and according to GDPR rules they should explain why whey are collecting passports and other info and how they plan to use it like posting it publicly on forums and websites if they think they have been stolen from (Not stolen by law but by their not legally binding contract).
Cmon, most backers don't care about any GDPR and just keep all pics on their computer in "passports" folder.

Don't steal and your stuff won't be posted, simple as that.

So you think it reasonable that guys like standartbacking post address/phone/ID over 200$? (Opening person to identity theft or putting person in real life danger)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4162

Over 300$

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4286

And there is several more low amount cases from standartbacking. It seem he think it very reasonable to do it over every case he loose money at staking deal.

There is probably some line where it reasonable and where it is potentially acceptable (Still debatable), but posting every sensitive and potentially dangerous detail over guys stealing from huge stable 200$-300$ every time you come post here i would think is out of line.

I certainly would try to put as much pressure on as I can. Maybe not over a couple $ but everyone has a different point where he draws the line.

At some point I guess you just have enough. 10 guys stealing $200 is still 2k in the end. It also creates some sort of deterrence.

Plus, people give their data to basically anyone nowadays without thinking about it and spread their information all over social media.

Yes, everyone draws line differently, some people draw line down at anything.
Not sure just having enough is valid reason, this have to be predictable risk you take when you stake tens and tens of people that some people will run away with 200$-500$. But i can see what you mean, 10...20...30 people running away with 200$-500$ can be very annoying (Still don't think it valid reason to starting draw line at anything).
But i think there also should be some line enforced in his forum not allowing everyone post every guy over 200$. It create environment where other 2+2 users might think it ok and acceptable to do it because theses other bigger guys do it regularly and is not punished in any way, even if theses other 2+2 users would not normally do it for obvious reasons.
Original post was intended this rule (But obviously 2+2 administration have lost it at some point just allowing anything over anything):

3) AOL IM, emails, city, etc. Phone numbers, street addresses, and similar info is not permitted. Contact a mod about special circumstances.

This is probably most outrageous case where 2+2 have ignored it all and allowed anything ---> unedited ID, Face with unedited ID, Unedited proof of address over 75$ micro stake -
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=3464

its not about that man clearly stealing is wrong and anyone who'd do that is scum but the laws the laws everyone has to follow it

Post the docs, blur out some of the numbers, ez game?

not sure man the meeting i had was intense like 4m fine for even name or address phone number not in a the public eye let alone outting it to the world all im saying is be-careful dont leave your self's in a position where u could get ham stringed

yeah I've also sat through a series of pretty detailed briefings on data protection. I doubt this site is vulnerable to GDPR-related prosecution / lawsuits (IANAL so I could well be wrong) but anyone based in the EU is certainly in big trouble if they're sharing an individual's personal information on the internet without permission. There are going to be a ton of businesses and individuals sanctioned for breaching data protection laws in the next 12 months for sure. These new rules are going to be enforced hard.

This site intentionally provides goods to EU customers (see drop-down list of EU countries at delivery options when ordering a book) thus it is.

Also weird and hypocritical that you get a warning about cookies but this site doesn't care a single bit about much more serious privacy infractions.