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The Camel suggests that we all just know about Nick Rainey's scamming without posting about it somehow, don't hold him accountable whatsoever and never speak of him again obv.

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09-19-2011 , 01:31 PM

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Larry Legend

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The Camel,

So we should not act like what Rainey did was wrong because other people have stolen more than he?

So if someone murders 1 man, should he not be prosecuted because others have murdered 1000's?

Your logic is completely flawed. If Rainey had stolen $200, a website and thread may be unreasonable, and I would agree with you. The point of this thread and the website is that he ran off with 10k and attaching that to his reputation is reasonable. You can feel that scamming 10k is not a reasonable amount to warrant an outright attack on one's reputation.

In that case, you should state why you think 10k does not pass the threshold for a thread or website about the scam. However, you should not compare it to what FTP did because it does not relate and only makes your argument look weak.

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09-19-2011 , 01:45 PM

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rakemeplz

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camel enjoys playing devils advocate in threads

arguing with him wont change his mind and hes not trying to change anyone elses mind

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09-19-2011 , 01:46 PM

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BarrySanders

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radowo_Wielkie

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09-19-2011 , 01:48 PM

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JohnFR

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Originally Posted by The Camel

Of course, I'm not saying let him off.

I'm saying this thread and Admo's pathetic website is a huge overreaction to what Rainey has done.

The amount he has stolen is a fraction of the amount FTP has stolen from the poker community.

Get real and divert your anger to places where it is deserved.

What is the appropriate reaction, and remember some people feel a moral obligation to help others not become victims of a scam.

Also do not confuse theft with bad business practices. I'm 100% sure things would be a LOT different if Nick was caught smoking weed before the WSOP ME in the parking garage with his 10k buyin, and the police took him to prison, and confiscated his 10k. People would be understanding and would be working with him in this situation. He outright stole the money.

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09-19-2011 , 01:59 PM

#331

The Camel

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Originally Posted by rakemeplz

camel enjoys playing devils advocate in threads

arguing with him wont change his mind and hes not trying to change anyone elses mind

This is partly true I guess.

I have been asked to stop posting in this thread and this will be my last word.

In no way do I condone what Nick Rainey has done.

If I believed this thread or Admo's site meant it 1% more likely that Rainey repaid anyone or it stopped someone losing more money to him I would never have posted my thoughts.

I was bullied mercilessly as a child and understand very well how it feels when you believe everybody hates you.

I hope everyone affected gets their money at some point.

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09-19-2011 , 02:05 PM

#332

JohnFR

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Originally Posted by The Camel

This is partly true I guess.

I have been asked to stop posting in this thread and this will be my last word.

In no way do I condone what Nick Rainey has done.

If I believed this thread or Admo's site meant it 1% more likely that Rainey repaid anyone or it stopped someone losing more money to him I would never have posted my thoughts.

I hope everyone affected gets their money at some point.

That's weird that you have been asked to stop posting, you haven't been hostile, your posts have lacked a bit in explanation, and I think you are incorrect, but other than that they have been fine.

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09-19-2011 , 02:11 PM

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SmokeyQ123

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Yeah I also think it's really weird you were asked to stop posting. Having said that:

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Originally Posted by The Camel

If I believed this thread or Admo's site meant it 1% more likely that Rainey repaid anyone or it stopped someone losing more money to him I would never have posted my thoughts.

L-O-L. I'm having a really really hard time imagining how this thread + website doesn't make it at least 5% more likely people are paid, and also somewhat more likely people aren't ripped off in the future.

Sorry you were bullied as a kid

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09-19-2011 , 02:18 PM

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Killingbird

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are you accepting advertising for this site?

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09-19-2011 , 02:33 PM

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Deurdy

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Originally Posted by The Camel

I have been asked to stop posting in this thread and this will be my last word.

We all hope you're a man of your word, cause your posts ITT are a complete trainwreck.

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09-19-2011 , 03:39 PM

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kevbo

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Need to have a photo-shop thread on this turd and then post the best ones on the website.

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09-19-2011 , 03:47 PM

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brad2002tj

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I think having a decent grasp on his personality I can conclude the following:

1. Nick has little/no moral compass.
2. Nick exagerates and/or lies.
3. Nick is capable of earning lots of money.
4. Nick likes to spend the money he makes, and possibly more.

Having said this, there is basically no chance Nick intended to defraud the WSOP investors as $10k or even $20k is not much in the scheme of his life. He obviously ran cold or spent or gambled away all his money in Vegas and had no other income after BF. Now that he is back on the grind I would think that the chances he repays within 6 months are very high and would not be surprised to see it repaid in 30 days along with an apology.

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09-19-2011 , 04:12 PM

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entroper

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Originally Posted by Nick Rainey

I would do the Seattle to Miami walk starting next August for 100k. The rules would be never once getting into a car, bike, or moving forward on anything other than your two feet. The only clause would be if there was an emergency and I had to goto the hospital I could take ambulance and would have to return to the spot I was picked up and start from there.

I would donate 50k of the 100k to a charity picked out by the person that bets me. If I used a car or did not complete the walk I would pay 100k for failing the mission.

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Originally Posted by Nick Rainey

Couple interesting prop bets I have been discussing with people. How much would you need to take these bets?

2 years without talking.

1 year working at McDonalds without getting fired. Must be full time, 35-40 hours a week.

Walking from Seattle to Miami.

I was offered 40k to go 18 months with half of my head shaved and the other half no shaving allowed but passed.

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Originally Posted by OmahaDoc80

The official rules and title of the bet 16,000 SNG's and $10,000 profit. I did that.

No where does it mention I cannot count any bonuses etc. I never intended to count my rakeback and let bettors aware of that. SNG madness was announced and I could have argued, "Hey it is profits from SNG's." But instead I immediately posted after they announced it that I would not count any profits from that.

I posted in post 385 and none of the bettors said a thing about Full Tilt pro bounties. I played all month and no one who bet against me had a problem with it. I had over 10k in profits after 16,000 games and that has been proven now.

I am done posting and done with 2+2. Please Ban me mods or delete my account, but you will never see me here again. You can find me on the Sharkscope leader boards you ****ing morons.

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Originally Posted by MI_turtle

I could really care less what people on 2+2 think. At the end of the day I am the one helping numerous people and working harder then anyone else. Could care less if you like me, just make sure to follow me on twitter, ****ing sheep.

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Originally Posted by MI_turtle

guess I am just results oriented. 4 time all american at USC, 14 pro doubles titles, 2 time monthly TLB champ on Stars, 3 of the highest 20 scores in history on PokerStars monthly hall of fame. GF that is almost certainly way hotter then yours and a teaching a good group of guys living at a sick house for free while learning how to make a living at this great game.

Won't be posting anymore in this forum, so glgl at the tables but good luck in the game of life, you need it.

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09-19-2011 , 04:17 PM

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entroper

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Originally Posted by shaundeeb

nick you're a douche everyone tells you that you keep having to hype yourself up just to feel better. Sorry your life does suck as much as the brags you have to keep pointing out to try to impress the "sheep".

I hope people like you get kicked out of poker what stars did to you was awesome I will applaud those who turned you down stars has plenty of good people to rep them. You aren't as big of a deal as you hope to be 5 years ago I too used to brag about tlb solely thinking that made me better then people. But it doesn't you are washed up hasbeen without ever being known by 90% of the poker community good job going back to being an assistant then at least you'd have 1 persons respect.

As for your mansion and overall shadiness you are why we get bad reps for taking advantage of people, you remind me of a bad motivational speaker I feel bad for the lost souls who enter your "mansion" and hope they forget whatever they experience there.

Update he is no longer welcome at 2+2

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Originally Posted by johnny_hilldo

So I was poking around 2+2 and found this thread and thought I would give you all an "insiders" prospective on Mr. Nicholas Rainey and RainmanPoker.

It is true that I resigned from RainmanPoker.net, and I did so for a lot of reasons which I will cover them here.

Quick history, I have known Nick for about a year and a half, starting working as a coach with our students back in November of 2009. I decided to move out to LA in April of this year for 3 months to work on building RainmanPoker with him & Bodeye.

I quickly found out the Nick was two completely different people online vs in person. Online he was a great guy, but as soon as I moved out to LA there were flashes of him just snapping over the littlest things, throwing mice, and just acting like a child at times.

Once we moved out to Vegas it got progressively worse and he proceeded to treat everyone around him very poorly.

I left because of Nick's constant unprofessionalism, lack of respect towards his "business partners", which he really just used us to get what he wanted and then do whatever he could do to push us out of the business and screw us out of tens of thousands.

I will speak for myself, we had made a verbal gentleman's agreement when we started that the original capital invested would be paid back, however Nick has stated none of the money will be paid back as I had resigned. He owes me $12,000 and none of that includes profit from the business, which I have not seen a penny since May 1.

If any of you are subscribers of RainmanPoker, I heard in his last webinar that he called both Bodeye and myself, "useless". I find this funny coming from someone who can't put his shoes on without some help.

Imo RainmanPoker and the staking business would not have been what it was without Bodeye and myself, and now see that it seems to be dwindling.

I did my best to make sure we stayed profitable, however the house in Vegas was eating so much profit that it turned out not to be the best investment and once I mentioned this to him he will say something that has no bearing on the conversation, something along the lines of attacking you personally. He never looks at things constructively and always makes impulse decisions which is never good for business.

So unprofessionalism, no respect for others, essentially stealing and no values or morals and acting like a child if he doesn't get what he wants is the reason I left, as I do not associate myself with people like that and I am very happy with my decision to leave.

I also forgot to mention that he takes great joy in putting people down and trying to make feel bad. This alone just disgusts me, example would be one of Channing's (Nick's girlfriend) friends, calling her "fat and ugly" on her Facebook wall.

Quoting Channing, "None of my friends like Nick and if he keeps acting like he does he will have no friends left".

It says something when your long term girlfriend says something like that.

Also when both of your cars get repoed within the last year goes to show you how well he handles his finances.

I have to say I think he might have a bit of a bipolar disorder as he can go from happy, to throwing a chair across a room in a split second. Now I think it might be because of the amount of Adderall he takes, screwing with the chemicals in his brain, whatever the case, I think it is worth getting checked out.

There is more, but I think you get the idea. This coming from someone who lived with Nick for the last two and a half months.

Cheers,

Johnnyhilldo
You can always find me @ http://johnnyhilldo.blogspot.com

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09-19-2011 , 04:22 PM

#340

entroper

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Originally Posted by kevbo

Need to have a photo-shop thread on this turd and then post the best ones on the website.

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09-19-2011 , 05:01 PM

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apefish

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For those thinking Nick had no bad intentions prior to degenning it away- there's evidence he lied in his thread to investors about being let back knowingly into the marketplace.

There's no explanation for that other than this whole thing was a series of bad actions, and Nick never gave a **** about any of it. He doesn't have to formulate "hmm I can steal 10K from the marketplace by doing this" for this to be a scam the entire time.

It was deceptive from the start. It's how thieves operate.

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Originally Posted by funnerwitbunner

Yes and was never given a reason. I got permission to open a new account from several mods green and red.

Will set up meeting via PM. ty and gl at the tables.

he's offered no proof or explanation of this and I doubt he can.

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09-19-2011 , 05:31 PM

#342

dalopper

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Originally Posted by The Camel

I can see why he was asked to stop posting, his points make no sense at all. I've taken the less popular side in a lot of arguments but i when i do so i take a reasonable and logical stance, camels arguments are as illogical as nick rainey himself. he tried to compare it to the full tilt situation, which i can't begin to address because it would take too long to say how absurd and dumb of a comment that is. nick rainey premeditated a scam to steal other peoples money all while spitting in their face and pissing on their trust he's scum.

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09-19-2011 , 06:36 PM

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AndyBernard6

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I saw Nick Rainey playing racquetball today wearing goggles and a headband. He won't even show his face on the tennis courts anymore.

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09-19-2011 , 07:22 PM

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DublingUp

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I am tired a being a lurker and always seeing a Nick rainey is a *** **** *********** ******** thread.

It is in some ways comical at this point because in alot of ways it is not Nick raineys fault a bunch of naive people continued to antogonize him, and doubt him, then he finds a way to flip the script and people are butt hurt.

In all honesty, anyone who invested in him in 2011 via any online forum makes that investment there own fault. There was enough information out there, with the most minimal amount of research to understand your Risk/Reward was way off.

Given that, it is in some ways hard to hate Nick as much as the most naive of people who "call" themself investors. Nicks whack. I can't hate him though.

2+2 destroyed him, and now expect the very people who doubted him in the first place to get sympathy when they get scammed. You all tried to ruin him, now are font page NVG him. Don't agree with it. In alot of ways Nick was just way more advanced and ahead of the game then most people.

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09-19-2011 , 07:32 PM

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Ce1ska

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Originally Posted by AndyBernard6

I saw Nick Rainey playing racquetball today wearing goggles and a headband. He won't even show his face on the tennis courts anymore.

If anyone can play racquetball on a tennis court, it's Nick Rainey.

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09-19-2011 , 08:13 PM

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Larry Legend

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[ ] 2+2 ruined Nick Rainey

[x] Nick Rainey ruined Nick Rainey

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09-19-2011 , 08:27 PM

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rakemeplz

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Re: dublingup's post

I think you are "possibly not smart" if you think the same people ripping him up for his previous shady behaviour were the ones getting scammed here.

But yes he is ahead of the game in terms of being good at conning people, and there are a lot of suckers out there. However, this is an odd thing to consider bragging about, more of a thing to get ostrasized by your friends/facing legal troubles over.

If anything its 100% superduper obvious previous threads warned people off nick rainey who otherways may have been duped into his cons...kind of obvious to me but i could be wrong.

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09-19-2011 , 08:28 PM

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AceIsHigh

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Originally Posted by DublingUp

thats right. the kind, caring, morally balanced nick rainey came to this site and the evil, villianous 2p2ers tore him down until he was just a shadow of his former self.

shame on them

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09-19-2011 , 08:50 PM

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sharpyetblunt

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Originally Posted by The Camel

So we cant have anger towards both Rainey AND ftp? Youre basically saying 'hey who cares how much money got stolen off you, you need to get a grip and think about all those other people who dont have their money at the moment.' which is completely ridiculous. There is nothing we can do about the FTP situation buit there is stuff that can be done about a scumbag like Rainey.

How many scams on The Camel 'Scale' are required before a public calling out is allowed?