what about potentially shipping that money to the person that he owed? then explaining to him why you did it and posting about it

2 wrongs dont make a right. surprised to even see a mod suggest that.

I would NEVER do this as this opens up all sorts of speculation. I've built my rep based on trust/work ethic, if people were to think I would be dishonest with their money then what happens to my cred?!

I sleep well at night knowing I did the right thing, and trying to convince others seeking stakes to refund this guy's money ASAP so we forever ban the SCUM that infiltrate our MP.

CLIFFS: The money being owed is not my problem, not my place to correct, nor does it make it right for me to steal from someone unsuspectingly.


Funny how a mod would post something like this, yet I get infractions from MODs for the slightest thing (i.e. not reading sticky first or calling out a MOD in the past). Pretty sure this will land me an infraction too now.

Yep I am sending (La-Ong-Fong )also his money back in my pack. Hope ppl get their money back.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...11/index2.html

Where is the LIKE button dammit... wp sir!

agree here
if either of the above 2 ppl did what the mod is suggesting its also a scam in itself
its nothing short of stealing, were not robin hoods here

I think both of the above stakees did the right thing in just refunding his money and not entertaining him

FYI to add to my post with the link above LCTheboss is still on this site looking at MP/stake stuff...recommend a ban on him but it's up to the mods.

Full Name: Mark Hawkins
2+2 username: The Falcon
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E-Mail: markhawkins1976@btinternet.com
Skype: kinghawko
City: Southport, United Kingdom
PokerStars: Kinghawko
Betfair: TheFalcon
Blonde Poker: Kinghawko



Mark Hawkings applied to Fish&Chips around March 10 looking for a long term stake in 180s. After confirming his details and getting in touch with his reference we took him on a makeup deal. He kept in touch regularly and kept playing for us until June 20; at that point he was 1.4k$ in makeup and had 600$ left in the pokerstars account (we sent him 2k$ including reloads). After that day he completely disappeared, we tried contacting him repeatedly with no success. We got in touch with his reference a few weeks ago; he told us that Mark would contact us shortly on skype to clear things up. We gave him plenty of time to do so, but he never materialized online so it has come to this.

done

I rarely read this thread, but got alerted last weekend after one of my regular buyers mentioned it in my thread.

I'll make sure next time that I refuse and refund his money until he comes good.

Thanks for the heads up, guys.

Hey saw Marius in the 4man lobby today and sat him, thought I might aswell get some of the money back he stole from me and thought I would write in the chat to him to see how he responded.

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Ricky Kroesen, aka "Rickwaa" had a staking deal with me a few months ago. I didn't think the makeup numbers added up with what he was saying they were, rather than confront him directly we negotiated a buyout. He made good on the buyout and I'm not directly accusing him of any wrong doing but after the buyout was paid I asked to see a player audit. He refused, there were some other things going on in his life that I think may have caused him to *potentially* compromise his integrity, but I would just proceed with caution/avoid working with him. He was very irrational in a few instances as well.... Just a heads up to any potential backers..

looking for someone to post on the brazil/whatever message boards about this to get the word out.


Please lmk if you can help


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Full Name: Luke James Usher
2+2 username: L_Usher87
E-Mail: L_Usher87@msn.com
Skype: L_Usher87
City: Rochester, United Kingdom
PokerStars: L_Usher87



Luke Usher applied to Fish&Chips around June 20 looking for a long term stake in 180s. After confirming his details and getting in touch with his reference we took him on a makeup deal and sent him 600$. A couple of days later he came on skype asking us if we sent him any money. What he claimed was that someone had executed an elaborate scam by hacking him and using his identity to apply for stakes on 2+2. This supposed hacker would have had access to his 2+2 for sending staking applications, to his skype for discussing deals, to his identity card (or a scan of it), to his pokerstars account and his bank account to be able to withdraw the money...
Two other backing groups had the same experience with us in those few days and Usher promised all of us that he would be paying us back. He kept telling us that he would “pay back when he can”, but since after a couple of months that was translating into no payments at all we asked him for a fixed repayment plan. We proposed as low as 10$ per week (which in the UK is an extremely small amount), but he would not even accept that. The other scammed backers have received nothing back from him either.


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June/July temp-ban and ban post
Luke Usher, scammer -- Active twitterer

Name: Demian Barroso Gomez
Skype:anko_86
Email:demianbarroso@msn.com
Phone Number:0058 4147481797
2+2 screen name:B4ldo
Poker site screen name:OMGfishament


Demian was staked by me months ago. He busted his BCP bankroll ($350) and went beyond the stop loss. He continually said he would pay half the losses back ($175) but never did. I am finally just going to post his information here and warn against doing any business with him.

Dmalloy had a pack on marketplace for action in the FTOPs.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...ckage-1359107/

after playing the first event,he didn`t play any other events no more.
i got a PM saying that he was sick but that was 3weeks ago.
we havent heard from him since.
and no money was refunded for unplayed events.

He was logged in on the 15th, after he had already missed an event, he could have posted something then.

2 players we signed at the same time who were living together in Latvia.

Stars: Kickereens
Name: Toms Kineris
Country: Latvia

Rolled for about $300. No contact since early August.


His roommate:

Stars: laikraadislv
Name: Maris Biraus
Country: Latvia
Skype: laikraadis

Disappeared late July/Early Aug with $2400 in makeup. Had also rolled another friend for $1500 around the same time.

Have copies of both their passports if needed.

Stars: Voodduu
2p2: Clown
Country: Faroe Islands

Knew he had a bit of a spotty reputation for going off on people, but had played the same games as him for about 5 years and was in fairly regular contact with him. He has had accounts banned on 2p2.

Staked him from Feb 2013 to May 2013. He had run up some MU and needed a loan to pay expenses. He has a 500 loan and $2k in MU. Had a few good sessions and ran up the roll to $4500. Took off with the money and has had zero contact since.

Stars: power_up45
Name: Rajesh Rughwani
Email: powerup45@gmail.com
Country: UK

Played for us with no issues from Sept 2012 to Feb 2013. Sent many transfers and profit cuts. In the middle of February, he played cash on our roll (which was not allowed) and he lost about $2400. For the next 2 months, he sent small payments when he could. His last contact with us was late April. He still owes up $1590. Did not post before because he was making regular payments.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...l#post38845052

Guess where the regular payments were coming from? I'm guessing the payments stopping coincided with the next stake ending...

If you had posted in a timely manner, it would have saved another staker money.

I realise that just about every staker is going to do what they deem to be in their best interest of getting paid, so this is a comment for the community rather than the individual poster. Once a player has shown they are not trustworthy, it is in everyone's interest to get the info out there quickly.

Backers often acquiesce to horses wanting 2 months to pay and "if you post about me, gg getting paid." The reality over a pretty big sample size is that you are more likely to get paid by posting than by not posting. The horse is buying time ~ time for them to be able to luckbox their way out of it, time to screw another backer before being outed ~ whatever.

Horses that are genuinely remorseful that they made an out of character lapse in judgment will repay you when they can. They will understand your need to post in the community, they will repay you when they can regardless, and appreciate you updating the thread when they have made good. They won't try and hold you to ransom over it and make out that it is all your fault that they did it...

Horses that are not genuinely remorseful are not going to pay you back - this thread is littered with examples of weak-sauce replies from horses citing staker action as the reason they are no longer paying.

In fact, several unremorseful players will come back to you and pay you off to make good on the thread and allow subsequent backing. That is a good example of the thread making a difference, recovering more cents on the dollar per scam in fact than agreeing to ludicrous repayment terms that often don't materialise anyway.

2. Stakers that keep quiet in the futile hope that it is in their best interest must also realise that if everyone else does the same, they are highly likely to be just about to stake someone that another staker knows is a scammer, but is also keeping quiet about in the hope they get paid too. How much better the staking community would all be if that dog-eat-dog element didn't exist.

Happy for others to improve this based on their experience, but I think the process should be something like this.

1. You discover they busted the roll in unauthorised games/cashed out etc.
2. You confront them and establish a repayment agreement.
3. You point out that despite the repayment agreement, it is going up on NF. (as ^^, good people understand, bad people aren't repaying you anyway if they can possibly avoid it)
4. Good people repay. Bad people don't. Added bonus that some bad people will repay, not out of remorse, but just to satisfy the next backer/employer, who is free to stake, but has the knowledge of this and caveat emptor and all that.

I sent first. He used the code within 5 minutes and has not logged in to twoplustwo since. No poker funds ever sent. No reply to PM's. He said his name was Andy and in addition to "Silverpp7" on BCP he also goes by "g0ldengun" on Juicy and "tornadoz" on Lockpoker.

I can use any information on this guy as I am contacting the police and filing a report as the amounts are enough to seek this individual out. I want a easy resolution but he wont even acknowledge.

Thanks in advance for any help

Jay

confirmed we were scammed as well and have yet to get anything back from him

i backed luke in the past and didn't have any issues, sorry to hear about the mess
i hope he pays for what hes caused

ironically while searching his name up in twoplustwo after hearing about something to do with him the captcha was bad egg

PokerStars: Redsmihai
Fulltilt: RedsMihai

Backed RedsMihai for a 1-week trial run @ $4.50 180s @ a 50/50 profit split. He made $473 on the first day, so I had him send the starting funds back. He then claimed I was scamming him and refused to profit-chop.

**REPAID FUNDS 2.5 YEARS LATER**