just cause the money is added to make-up, doesnt mean it isnt money you dont owe if they decide to drop you for whatever reason (doesnt matter what the reason is really)


Dont really want to get in the middle of this, but all loans while staking someone (or, in this case money you stole by dumping it off in cash games) needs to be made whole if the stake stops for whatever reason. just cause they were "nice" enough to add it to make-up and let you possibly repay it if you make them money, doesnt mean its just null and void if they decide to drop you.


you owe whatever money you stole/degen'd/were loaned while you were on the stake with them. make good on your debt.

ya you owe the money you stole/degened off, the make up you accured by actually playing/losing is their loss assuming they did drop you like you said at no fault of your own etc

If you look at it like that, maybe i do.

But your not weighing in the fact that he backstabbed me.

He dropped me because of bogan while it was clearly bogan who was in the wrong between us.

He made his choices.... and I could have easily won that money back for him.

Dont want to discuss this on a forum anymore.

Him backstabbing you if true is an indication of his character and you're welcome to post negative feedback about your negative experiences, not your right to "punish him" by not re-paying money you 100% owe. To be clear once again you "only" owe the amount you lost playing games not agreed on, none of the make up.

*also I'm not talking sides, not saying I agree or disagree which of you is right regarding him backstabbing etc

He was just a regular poster there as far as I know, he seems to have some financial trouble with some of his friends as well (they expressed this in the dutch thread on PN). Dont think he was very known scammer, maybe in the inner circles...

Full Name: Marius Vosylius
2+2 username: Nepisk_Mazgu
Age given: 23
Known Alias: Dainius Rimsaitis
E-Mail: nepiskmazgu@gmail.com
Skrill: nepismazgu@gmail.com
Skype: vosylium
Skype Data: Marius Vosylius, October 3 1990 (which would make him 22), Marijampole/Lithuania, +37060625989
PokerStars: Nepisk_Mazgu
FullTilt: nepisk_mazgu
I-Poker: NepiskMazgu

Full Name: Andrius Melnikovas
2+2 username: sliverr44
E-Mail: melnikovasandrius@gmail.com
Skrill: melnikovasandrius@gmail.com
Skype: andriusmelnikovas
Skype Data: Andrius, March 7 1990, Vilnius/Lithuania, +37063179817
PokerStars: sliverr44
I-Poker: Sliverris

Marius Vosylius applied with me, and other poker staking stables, at around August 10. He was looking to be staked for 1.200 games of SNG on PokerStars showing an impressive Sharkscope graph for "Nepisk_Mazgu".
As I am an affiliate on I-Poker and can get great rakeback deals there (plus the H2H games are soft) we decided to have the stake on I-Poker instead. I sent 1.000 Euro via Skrill. Marius opened an account thru a skin of my choice but failed to deposit as his limit was reached. I was slightly suspicious but he provided copy+pasted mails from Skrill and also a screen shot of the cashier of his PS account.
So while he strung me along, regularly updating me on his contact with Skrill (faxing documents to increase limits etc.) he also hooked me up with Andrius "silverr44" Melnikovas. Same story, we agreed to run a stake of 1.000 H2H SNG (for him Turbos) on I-Poker and he opened the account. I sent 1.000 Euro via Skrill. It was late and he was supposed to start the next day.
The next day Marius contacted me and wanted to hook me up with yet another Lithuanian crusher, I think it was "Kobasteris" on PokerStars but now all alarm bells went ringing and I told him I wanted to see play and results from him an Andrius first before even thinking about signing up anyone else.
Andrius never got back in contact, Marius kept stringing me along for a while claiming his friend was first hungover than sick, then Marius disappeared as well.
Trying to get in contact via E-Mail, Skype, Phone has proven unsuccessful and by now it is quite obvious I have been scammed.
I can not totally rule out that Marius is an imposter but as he originally wanted funds to be sent on PokerStars to "Nepis_Mazgu" that really would not make much sense.
I will inform 2+2 mods, Skrill and PokerStars next.

stake roller Leigh (Lee) Donoghue, UK

newly banned 2+2 - DrKrieger86
previously - Aeon86 , De_Evolution

Revolution - SterlingArch, DrKrieger

I can 2nd that this player is a scammer

Full Name: Marius Vosylius
2+2 username: Nepisk_Mazgu
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marius.vosylius.9?fref=ts
Known Alias: Dainius Rimsaitis
E-Mail: mariusmarko21@gmail.com
Skype: vosylium
Address: Marius Vosylius
Luicinavo KLiepu21
Marijampole/ 69198 Lithuania
PokerStars: Nepisk_Mazgu
FullTilt: nepisk_mazgu
I-Poker: NepiskMazgu

Marius approached me on the 7th August for a 3month stake, this was part of his application -
name Marius Vosylius from Lithuania. age 26 skype vosyliusm
I play poker about five years much time with friends or olimpyc casino.
and play online on pokerstars.
I play on stars - Nepisk_Mazgu.
why i need a stake? I had to move to a new residence also had to help
parents and, therefore, had to cashout a large part of br
i play about 3-6 hours in day. i need stake for three months or 1200
games. i always playing one table. i need stake to 30$ turbo hu sng 4 peoples shoutouts.

Because of the fact I had played him before and he had such good stats he earned more credibility than most players, anyone that plays husngs knows the regs are pretty trustworthy when it comes to chops and don’t want a bad reputation amongst other husng grinders.
I decided to stake him for 4mans and after a week he just went off the radar. I have been trying to get in contact with him to no avail. I know that he and some friends from Lithuanian have been going round scamming stakers on 2p2 for a while now and I know Marius is still applying for stakes as recent as last week and will say anything to get one. Id PM'd this staker about Marius and he replied that he already declined him based on a suspicious interview. So I would advise anyone who gets a PM from Marius or a player from Lithuanian to be very cautious.

This guy is on my stake too, was just about to post about him

Lithuanian Stake Rollers

2+2 accounts
Nepisk_Mazgu
sliverr44
Romic-G


They have Full Tilt and PokerStars accts with the same names:

Nepisk_Mazgu
sliverr44 (also Micro-G, PKR, IGT, Merge)
Romic-G (registered in Russia, claimed he was in Spain, posted from Lithuania)




These all have successful and active Stars accounts with over 40k games between them and seem to have discovered that they can make even more money by looking for 2+2 stakers.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2424

beware

.

Daniel Fetca
Stars/FTP - dny133

Not the most stinging piece of negative feedback ever (Monteroy keeps all those for himself)

We staked Daniel in June and he sent in modest profits for 3 weeks before losing his bankroll in week 4. This coincided almost perfectly with a sudden increase in workload for him which meant he was unable to play for a while. We had him return what was left of his reload and although obviously familiar with players suddenly becoming "busy" whilst in makeup, gave him some time to sort things out, despite this obviously historically being a major underdog to be the truth.

We got as far as debating negative feedback for it, ultimately deciding it was marginal, but there was a definite feeling of being freerolled. We decided that it was slimy enough that we didn't even want him back, so we wrote to him and told him he was clear of obligation at that point. We have recently noticed that while he was too busy to play in makeup, he had plenty of time to apply for other stakes.

So, I felt it only fair to put it out there that if you stake him, it is quite possible he will be busy at work if he goes into makeup.

Juuso made a payment of $100 a few days ago, so he is working to make things right. I will continue to update this thread as he works and tries to repay the debt.

You agreed that you would pay back the money months ago and never sent a penny so all this bs about bogan and backstabbing is pretty much irrelevant.

You're up almost 100k this year without cash games, just do the right thing and pay me back.

I agree with the first part but would like some clarification on the second part.Ozenc claims that he was dropped because of a secondary dispute with Bogan, however, none of us know any facts about the bogan dispute or whether that occurred before or after the money was degened off on "off stake" cash games. If the bogan dispute was caused because of the lost money ,ozenc should have realised that he must have lost a lot of trust from his stakers and if he was broke tried to avoid any more trouble so that he could continue to be staked.
If ozenc had degened off the money , and then had a dispute with bogan as a result of that action so that the stakers could not trust him with any more of their funds,do they then have to stand the makeup. Ozenc claimed that he could have continued playing and cleared the makeup, stakers must have feared that if they sent more money especially with Ozenc broke that it could also get degened off .If the stakers have to stand all the makeup in that situation i can see ways that dishonest stakees could manipulate staking funds and get away scot free with a nice lump sum in their friends pocket.

this guy now posting on 2+2 as La-Ong-Fong. still seeking stakes and told me he did not know anyone from 2+2 and made no mention of previous stakes when i asked for references

i assume this is the right place to post this

so since i dont have paypal i have allowed a few americans with good reps to buy pieces of me on credit then settle up every 2-300 dollars.

cfalls has owed me $250 for over a month now, i have sent numerous pm's which have been ignored. i was gonna continue to just wait it out but now he is buying other pieces and joining NFL survivor pools.

not sure if much can be done such as losing his marketplace, but worst case wanted to warn others his rep/word apparently doesn't mean very much to him

here are a few links showing him confirming he owes me and to "msge him any time i want him to settle up"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=19

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...21&postcount=4


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edit(RW)

This was an apparent oversight by veteran 2+2er CFalls who was away from 2+2 for a number of weeks.
He has paid $175 to mossified84 and will arrange to pay the remaining $75 in the next few days.

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edit2 (RW, Sept5)

As anticipated mossified84 was paid in full via 2 payments made last week by CFalls.
CFalls has sent me a number of PMs in which he expressed his regret of this oversight in which he was apparently away from his PC and 2+2.

La-Ong-Fong has been notified via PM of a temporary staking application and 2+2 transaction ban until he settles his outstanding debt.

Dan
RW

^ just fyi, this guy is buying shares in the MP.


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edit - allowing this - RW

Name: Ilia Kislinsky

Pokerstars: Julbazh

Address: 2nd Azinskya Street 2B
Kazan, 420088
Russia

After a smooth start to the stake, this player stopped replying to all emails and Skype messages and ran with the stake money.

hint of russian (on FTP)

-from the UK
-i woke today with -ve fb all over the place about him
-2p2: sleuthing101


do not stake for now, will update/erase this when i get home if the allegations r incorrect..
hes blocked our contact person on fb and has rolled 2 stakes on 2p2 atm

I can see why it is irrelevant to you.

Fact is you knew I was pissed of about the bogan thing and I had every right to be.

Yet you let him talk you into dropping me.

It doesnt go both ways . You should v known you were writing off that 7k at that point.

I staked him very briefly and was probably lucky to get my money back. You should have probably asked me as I posted in his goals thread before you staked him.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-mtts-1315775/

Guy's, make sure to try to do some research on these players! I am sometimes guilty of this too, sorry to hear man.

Edit...even though it is backwards he sent me a picture of his license...I can post it if the mods think I should, otherwise I won't. Let me know.
Matt

they continued to back you after you admitted stealing from them. IIRC bogan didn't trust you (lol irony) and I guess that was a factor in whatever dispute you guys had, and hey it turns out bogan wasn't mr perfect either and perhaps jack and louis were talked into handling you suboptimally, but all that is irrelevant. Of course you're not expected to repay makeup from your staking deal once you're dropped, but you're still liable for the money you stole no matter how badly your feelings have been hurt. Man up and repay it.

He tried to buy a piece of my stake... if more people would do THIS in MP, then we could chase out the scum.