Name: Juho Pääkkö
Country: Finland
Screenname: East89 @ pokerstars
Email: paakkojuho@gmail.com
Skype: east1989@hotmail.com


Situation:
A small timer who dropped out of contact. Too many coincidental situations to add up to anything but a stake roll.

Asked for a loan on June 26th. We declined. He was on a 1k BR at the time.

June 30th, the player claimed he no longer needed the loan and his finances were in order. He did request a reload even though Sharkscope had him winning on the week. He sent in an audit and it checked out. We sent him a $300 reload.

The player only played that day (lost) and dropped out of contact until we sent him an email confronting him about the situation. He claimed that his computer was broken and was emailing using a friend's. Apparently he couldn't use the friend's computer to send a once sentence email to his backer.

He sent in a screenshot showing $164.77 in the account.

A telling piece of his response is that he did not take issue with us bluntly calling him a thief. I guess why bother when someone calls a spade a spade.

Per usual, the player has since dropped out of contact despite numerous emails requesting return of the remaining BR or an update of the situation. We assume he ended up writing his own micro loan.

As always, we will update this post if the circumstances change.

Cheers,
RA

Name: Tomasz Durajczyk
Country: Poland
Screenname: dunderfunkie @ pokerstars
Email: poczujtenfunk@safe-mail.net
2+2 Handle: dunderfunky
Skype: dunderfunky

Situation:
Another small timer.

We staked this player $300 to play $7 9mans (Reg, Turbo, and Hypers) on Jul 5th.

Things started off well for the player:


But he not played since July 8th and has not been in contact since July 7th. We assume at this point that he ran it up and cashed out. Easy peasy.

Also note that the associated 2+2 account only applied to staking threads. This was likely a premeditated roll.

As always, we will update this post if the circumstances change.

Cheers,
RA

So Aaron has finally clarified that he is not paying the mu back that is owed to me.

I am hoping future stakers stay clear of you and realize you are notorious for shady behavior on various staking sites. Parttimepoker, chipmeup to name two that i know of.

yes I am banned from PTP and chipmeup and the reason for that is because you asked me to snipe people from them for you. I didn't know you had to pay the site which you obviously did and thats why you wouldn't do it yourself.

don't try **** about you piece of **** when you have been and always will be in the wrong.

Both of you need to start posting proof of whatever you feel the other has done wrong instead of this pointless back and forth.

For the record, you were not banned from Chip Me Up for anything you have said in this post about sniping players.

You were banned because you had unresolved staking issues on both parttimepoker: http://forum.parttimepoker.com/appea...ppeal-dns.html

and 2+2: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1182

After looking at both of these staking issues and seeing that they were unresolved at the time, we determined that you were too much of a risk for our site

To be fair I had forgot about them, but it has been resolved (sure its the same thing) way over 2 year ago that and I genuinely at the time didn't know what I had done wrong, the reason I had been banned from ptp though was for sniping players for randy.

Also I would post as much proof as I could about the situation but I have 0 idea how to get older skype conversations up that aren't saved on my laptop, if someone can PM me with the details on how to do this I would be more than happy to post how I was treat and why I won't be paying anything back even if people decide I should be doing.

its not helping your case at all when the details of your previous infractions are shown, that you played off stake. If you knew the processes involved with stake problems with P2p and chip me up and that could lead to problems getting staked in the future, I find it hard to understand why you would not make a concerted effort to retain proof of the reasons why you acted to end the stake and resolve any ongoing dispute even if it was just screenshots of your skype chat logs.

I also find it strange why you flat out refuse to pay what you seem to have agreed to pay at the start of the stake.By doing so you appear to ensure that noone will ever trust you to be staked again.Its not often that total scum give other people 2K to lose at poker. If the stakers knew that you had no intention of paying off makeup , i'm pretty sure that you either wouldn't have got the stake in the first place, or you'd be playing for a much smaller cut of the profits to offset the extra risk the staker is taking on.

I agree, but I can't help it if my laptop crashes and burns and takes all the information that was stored on it with it.

And I refuse to pay because of the way I was treated during and after the stake. I was doing everything within my power to send him money back and he knew that I was sending him what I could yet still hounding me for it, I think there was one time I won and was flat out broke in real life he knew I needed life expenses and couldn't afford to send anything, he seems to not realise that people need to live as well as him and he was during and after the stake a complete arsehole with me. I also would like to point out that I mentioned to him multiple times I was in deep make up. I think I made a mistake here by not sending him screenshots of my rail which is fair enough. If he hadn't been a complete dip**** with me in the past 12 months and had been fair and decent I would have sent him it once I am out of make up. How can he not expect to be owed money as a backer? isn't that what happens in staking? Basically 8.5k make up doesn't go away in a day. I am not a bad person. I never have been and I will stand by my point here. There is by far more factors involved than meets the eye in the conversation and I have 0 ways to prove it. It is a shame my laptop has to break and I only have 3 months worth of conversation with him.

As for the infringement on the ptp and chipmeup (I didn't know about chipmeup) he knew atleast about the Ptp when staking me and he knew I had rectified it as soon as I realised what the problem was. Also I was never banned from PtP just had infringment until he asked me to recruit people for him off there, if he knows you are allowed to snipe people yet he is asking me to snipe people for him then is that not something that stands out a little bit?

I had one of his horses contact my while on the tables the other day. He didn't realise I knew randy and I didn't know he was staked by him until we got deeper into conversation. His horse gave the exact same account as me basically and thinks randy is a manipulative unfair person. because the horse doesn't want to get a bad name and get more abuse from randy I am not going to give his details out even though this might jeopardise me in my case.

From my point of view, I am a winning player I would have happily at the time stayed with randy if I was treated even slightly fair. I have been backed for the last year by a big company and sent easily 25k+ to them back and forth through transactions.
I just got dropped by them with 8.5k make up and they made a small profit on me in the long run, we have said our farewells with no problems because there was none.

What led your most recent backers to drop you? The past issue on ptp isn't that big of a deal imo. It seemed like a small misunderstanding that got worked out, although it doesn't look good that you seem to run into issues with your backers on a somewhat regular basis. You also should rethink your stance of not paying the money back just because you feel he was mean to you. If you agreed that you owe the money (which it sounds like you did) then you owe the money and that is that. Even if you can show proof that he was treating you harshly that does not give you an excuse to not pay him if you owe him the money. IMO the only way you don't owe him the money is if you can prove that you only left the stake after not being able to get him to give you money to grind. You definitely shouldn't have agreed to pay the makeup though if you didn't intend to follow through on that promise. It would also help your case if you could get other past horses of his to post on his treatment of them to corroborate what you are saying about how he treats his horses.

I agree I shouldn't have agreed at the time I felt it was the only way out for me and was at first trying my best to send some, I felt if I said I will pay back some then he would make no stink about it and let me go (even though he did kick up a fuss). That was stupid, but at the same time it feels like he agreed to top me up when I was short to grind yet its a different story the other way around.

I wonder if I found an audit from the time I left him and joined him if that would help. At the time I didn't feel like I was backed I felt like a slave. I will find the audit post it. If you guys still don't agree then I will look at it from an outside point and do what is best but at this moment in time I can't change my mind on how I feel about the situation.

I have all skype conversations with Aaron since September of 2012. I contacted him a total of 12 times with all but 5 of those chats a mere question of "do you have a payment for me". The other handful of chats resulted in him being being in mu with his new backer being the main reason why he could not pay me. So where he get off on saying I hounded him is beyond me.

As far as asking Aaron to recruit for me on ptp. I never once asked him to break any rules in regards to recruiting people to play for me. If he decided to use illegal ways to recruit, that was his decision and his decision only.

With regards to another horse of mine being unhappy with me. Without knowing who it is I can't really comment on that particular situation. I can say that I staked several players that I have had no issues with whatsoever.

You didn't have issues with Ryan Foster? Dali? I'm sure both of these left you for the same reason. Marc also. Every successful player you have had has moved on because of the way you treat them.

Also if this is the case and you didn't ask me to recruit for you then why would I recruit for you? Why did you never attempt to recruit on there without someone else doing it for you (as far as I am aware) and why would you not say to someone recruiting for you that you don't want someone to recruit on that site because you have to pay for it? All you have done with you comment is push the blame off yourself, to be honest I don't care about that I just thought a backer would have a bit more brains and make sure his horses are well looked after and don't get into a situation like that.

Also post all the skype logs. I would be happy with that. And all the skype logs from before to after we started the stake, not just the ones you want to show people. That way this can be settled.

After this post Corey contacted me to let me know this was a big misunderstanding. I received the money from him this morning.

from an outsiders point of view... if your staker was mistreating you and not topping you in time ......why would you want to recruit other horses for him?
seems reasonable ....however staker may not want to post some details if he does different deals for different horses.He may tailor % splits determined on his perceived risk depending on horses experience and previous results. Horses may just see that someone else is getting a better % and then be unhappy . That sort of stuff he could consider confidential and withhold it , which would then lead to you making allegations of withholding some of the logs.

Confirmed that I shipped. Hopefully Kellis can come in and also confirm this.

My thoughts being if I can find people who make him money then he won't have the excuse of not being able to top up because he would always have money on there.

And I am sure that Randy had the same deal for us all he was staking. Not 100% sure but if he wants to out me and call me a scammer he shouldn't have a problem with posting absolutely everything that went on in the stake.

Still nothing received. Messaged you on the 25th about it and you responded that you would send funds the next morning of the 26th? No message or anything to say that you couldn't or wouldn't be sending them.

1) 2+2 screen name - myrconstruct

2) myrconstruct on Stars

3) mircea.zzz on Skype
40728151914 cell
mircea_000@yahoo.com email

4) Did not update his rail for 6 weeks. We emailed him and he basically said he was broke and that we've likely made so much money in poker that we don't know what it's like. We've emailed him a repayment schedule we expect to be followed and will update this thread with progress on that. He owes $2,100.

i e-mailed you back. It seems that you didn't recieve my message preety well..or i haven't made myself clear enough...2.1k is my makeup so i didn't steal the money or stuff like that... i explained my situation and hope to pay you back sooner than you said in order to erase this thread. You could have tried to understand that since i haven't made a cashout in such a long time it's pretty hard to pay your bills so that's why i had to take a job after finishing school this summer and quit playing mtts fulltime. You also haven't mentioned that i'm up +3k for Pocarr team and i trasfered you the money after each winning session.I don't know why is it so hard to understand that i had to do this and quit my agreement with you by paying my makeup not playing to get out of it.I just can't play enough mtts with a job to get out of that makeup. This thread dosn't really represent the poker player i am and i will try to follow the guidelines you sent me...just saying..this thread, the way you put it looks like i'm an idiot and you know this is not the case..you could have made it otherway.would you prefer me to have a makeup of like 10k and just kick me out or me paying my MU and end our agreement with a profit for you? just saying i could have done idiot things but i tried to find a solution and paying my mu i think is the best.I know you have a business to protect but doing this thread stuff i think it applies for players which do not cooperate, don't want to send the funds etc... regarding my situation and the fact that i explained myself this just looks mean after such a long term agreement wea had.I will pay my makeup be sure so i hope you'll erase this thread and until then update it with my payments as i make them

Shipped and he confirmed shipment. Please confirm Kellis.

Joian,

I think you are forgetting that we audited you many months ago and your rail was well off. We let that slide completely, added it to makeup, and continued to send you funds, do hhreviews for you, give you free coaching with Assassinato, etc.

So fast forward several months and you have not updated your rail in nearly 6 weeks. You've played 600 games without updating us, including hundreds of hyperturbos which we do not stake you for. Considering you are saying you're broke, you clearly are playing hyperturbos with our money.

Misreporting your roll by hundreds of dollars the first time was not acceptable but we let it slide. Not getting in touch with us for 6 weeks is also non acceptable. Playing hyperturbos with our funds is also not acceptable.

We posted in this thread to protect other stakers from giving you money, which is clearly the right thing to do considering everything that has taken place.

We have outlined a repayment plan that has you paying back $2.1k over a 6 month span. You have said you'll try your best but have already alluded that there's a strong chance this won't be met. I'm really not sure what more we can do at this point.

We will update this thread with progress on that repayment.

Posting again about affinity_00. I decided to keep his last name secret, but since he hasn't contacted me, i will release it.

Do not stake him.

His real name is James/Jimmy Dryden, and his email is dry_dryden@hotmail.com. He's from Brisbane, Australia.

I staked him with $250, which he basically stole from me. I haven't heard from him since the 16th of May. If someone has any contact with him, or some other contact info on him, please let me know.

Want to said about NoSoupForU, he recieved money from our Fund and leave us.
Staking Rail Thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...4tftw-1343886/
His Skype ID: norock5
Pokerstars Screen name: th3g04tftw
Add him to scums list.

Confirmed and received funds thanks